For telling my neighbour he should stay home

[queensonia]

My next door neighbours both tested positive for COVID on the weekend. Today I saw the husband getting in his car to go to work. He works for a medium sized public company with a lot of staff. He said he was told that he’s not legally obliged to isolate and that if he felt well enough he should still go into work. I told him he was morally obliged to isolate because he could infect colleagues who may suffer far worse than he is currently and pass it on to their relatives who may also get very ill or die. Is this what everyone is doing now.? In my industry we are pcr tested twice a week and not allowed on site until the test is negative.

[quote Carla2601]@Waxonwaxoff0 that was exactly my point - the majority of people can stay home, their employers let them. Those who can’t can’t, I get it. I have plenty of empathy. What’s wrong with this the country is the me me me attitude of oh I fancy going out with Covid so I will. If you can’t eat if you don’t, crack on. If you can, don’t be a dick. The end[/quote]
I don't think many people "fancy" going to work, they have to. I don't fancy going to work even when I'm well!

If you only care about people who are vulnerable to Covid and not people who are vulnerable to poverty, you're a hypocrite.

Sums the whole thing up, really. 👏🏻

If you only care about people who are vulnerable to Covid and not people who are vulnerable to poverty, you're a hypocrite.

?? Both.

You infect someone with Covid they lose income for the duration, if they develop Long Covid they may lose their job, if they die their family may be pushed into poverty for good.

@TatianaBis

If you only care about people who are vulnerable to Covid and not people who are vulnerable to poverty, you're a hypocrite.

?? Both.

You infect someone with Covid they lose income for the duration, if they develop Long Covid they may lose their job, if they die their family may be pushed into poverty for good.

If. If. If. It's all if. The vast majority of healthy working age adults will not develop long Covid, nor die from it. About half of the factory I work in have had Covid. No long Covid. No deaths.

Most people who are on a low wage are more concerned about losing their jobs than they are about catching Covid. The odds of me dying from Covid are miniscule. The odds of me losing my job if I miss too much work are much higher. I know which scenario worries me more.

YABU - my sons college have told students their attendance record will be affected if they take time off with covid so must only stay off if they feel too Ill to go in.

My workplace says similar.

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@ArcheryAnnie they're not frightening at all. You just have no right to call someone an "immoral shit" for just trying to get by in life. If you want empathy, you need to show some to others. Do you understand that many people are literally choosing between heating and eating right now?[/quote]
Yes, I do know that. I am a single parent on a low income, I have a mortgage to pay, no savings, am currently slightly overdrawn.

And I am still ill from my second bout of covid, even though I am (finally) testing negative. I go to bed in pain, wake up in pain. This is on top of the disabilities I have been left with after my first bout of covid two years ago. I had to miss another day of work yesterday because I was too weak and ill to travel. I can do a few things from home but most of my work requires me to be on the premises.

I've had someone approach me recently with an offer of a second job. Could really do with the money but I've had to turn it down because I spend all of my spare time dealing with my illness, and I feel like I'm hanging onto my first job by my fingernails. I am terrified about my long term employability.

This could be you, waxonwaxoff0. People don't understand how random covid is. It's a real lottery whether covid will kill you, disable you, or just leave you with a case of the sniffles. If your last experience is of the "sniffles" level, then I can understand why you are so dismissive, but the next variant may not be so kind to you, and it may bugger up your ability to put food on the table in the way that existing variants have buggered up mine.

There but for the grace of god, and all that.

Unfortunately although I sort of agree with you in principal with 1/15 people now having Covid it's pretty much everywhere and most people can expect to be exposed to it.

If you are only exposed when out walking or in the supermarket then you are less likely to catch it than if you have sustained face-to-face contact though so I don't think workplaces should be encouraging staff to come in when actively contagious.

The hospitals are not overwhelmed - the only people in hospital who have covid are there for other more serious illnesses. No one is dying. It's like a mild flu.

I would never lecture my neighbour on such a thing. It's absolutely none of your business.

@Bouledeneige

Our hospitals in Bristol are totally overwhelmed. Everyday they are saying don’t go to a&e unless life or death. 5 hour waits for ambulances.

@ArcheryAnnie absolutely none of what you've posted gives you the right to call anyone an "immoral shit." I'm sorry for your situation. But there are other issues that people face other than Covid. It cannot always be everyone's number one concern.

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@ArcheryAnnie absolutely none of what you've posted gives you the right to call anyone an "immoral shit." I'm sorry for your situation. But there are other issues that people face other than Covid. It cannot always be everyone's number one concern.[/quote]
Covid is all that matters to some people. Not even other diseases seem to matter. I don’t call the person who gave me flu that nearly killed me “an immoral shit”. I was critically ill and left in a far worse state that many with Long Covid.

[quote OnceuponaRainbow18]@Bouledeneige

Our hospitals in Bristol are totally overwhelmed. Everyday they are saying don’t go to a&e unless life or death. 5 hour waits for ambulances.[/quote]
Unfortunately many A&Es are buckling under the pressure but it’s not due to a huge influx of seriously unwell Covid patients. It’s a combination of factors; underfunded services, staff sickness and staff burnout, people who waited too long to get treatment and are now sicker than they should be, poor management and the list goes on….

Twice someone else has now given me covid. I have assumed that they did this unknowingly, that it is just one of those things. I don't blame them.

I would feel very differently if one of those people who have given me this illness that has left me disabled and in constant pain, and worried about whether I will be able to continue working, if that person knew they were positive, and went out anyway, thereby knowingly and recklessly giving me this illness.

I would feel absolutely justified in calling them "an immoral shit".

All of you now pledging to go out anyway next time you test positive, you don't know whose lives you will ruin.

@Bouledeneige

The hospitals are not overwhelmed - the only people in hospital who have covid are there for other more serious illnesses. No one is dying. It's like a mild flu.

I would never lecture my neighbour on such a thing. It's absolutely none of your business.

Our local hospital is overwhelmed. And people are still dying or getting seriously ill. Please stop minimising this.

@ArcheryAnnie

Twice someone else has now given me covid. I have assumed that they did this unknowingly, that it is just one of those things. I don't blame them.

I would feel very differently if one of those people who have given me this illness that has left me disabled and in constant pain, and worried about whether I will be able to continue working, if that person knew they were positive, and went out anyway, thereby knowingly and recklessly giving me this illness.

I would feel absolutely justified in calling them "an immoral shit".

All of you now pledging to go out anyway next time you test positive, you don't know whose lives you will ruin.

I'll ruin a stranger's life before I ruin my own DS's life if I lose my job and house. Every single time. That's the crux of it, and that's how many people feel.

@ArcheryAnnie

Twice someone else has now given me covid. I have assumed that they did this unknowingly, that it is just one of those things. I don't blame them.

I would feel very differently if one of those people who have given me this illness that has left me disabled and in constant pain, and worried about whether I will be able to continue working, if that person knew they were positive, and went out anyway, thereby knowingly and recklessly giving me this illness.

I would feel absolutely justified in calling them "an immoral shit".

All of you now pledging to go out anyway next time you test positive, you don't know whose lives you will ruin.

You say someone “gave it” to you. There’s a fair chance you passed it on to someone else, maybe more vulnerable and maybe you’ve inadvertently caused a huge amount of harm to someone’s life too. Do you blame yourself?

It’s not “pledging to go out”, some people need to go to work. You’re being extremely unfair. If I get Covid, I’d stay at home but I can work from home and I won’t lose my job or my home.
I suppose someone could say to go, those of you who think everyone should isolate with Covid, you don’t know whose lives you will ruin.

People should just use their common sense at this point. I am still testing positive and if I do tomorrow, I won't go to work but I am fortunate enough to be in a job that I can do from home. Others are not.

If you are in places where there are lots of people, then I think it is only considerate to wear a face mask and maintain some form of social distancing.

I actually feel fine and have been out every day since testing positive for walks in quiet places and have even been out for a long run, mostly off road a couple of days ago. The chances of transmission outside and being more than 2m from others are very very low. Just for reference, I am on day 7 since testing positive and dh and dd have both tested negative.

You say someone “gave it” to you. There’s a fair chance you passed it on to someone else, maybe more vulnerable and maybe you’ve inadvertently caused a huge amount of harm to someone’s life too. Do you blame yourself?

Mickarooni it's entirely possible I passed on the infection to other people, but I don't blame myself. You know why? Because I took every precaution I could in order not to pass it on. I am as meticulous as I can be about social distancing, and wash and/or sanitise my hands frequently I wear a good mask properly over my nose and mouth, and clean it well after every use, except on the (many) occasions I have hospital visits, in which case I wear a medical-grade one. I test when I have any doubts about my health, and before visiting vulnerable friends and family. I miss tubes and buses if they seem over-full, and wait for the next one. I always open the windows on buses and tubes if they are shut when I get on. I isolated when testing positive, and for a few days after testing neg again, just in case. I can't, on the whole, wfh, so I am out and about most days, and this seems to me to be a sensible thing if I am to continue to work in central London, both to keep me safe, and to keep other people safe from me.

What I don't do is recklessly mix with other people, when I know I have a positive status, and keel that information from those people I am mixing with. Because I'm not an irresponsible selfish arsehole.l

He works for a public company, for heaven's sake. Has it occurred to you that he might actually have preferred to take a week off work and relax, but was pressured to come in any way by his superiors because there is a lot of work to do and they can't afford to let him take time off?

Sounds like he has checked with his bosses and has been told that he 'should come in to work if he felt well enough'. The actual content of this message could vary depending on the tone and manner of whoever he was speaking to, so do not be too quick to judge him.

@ArcheryAnnie

What you call “reckless mixing”, this man calls “going to work as per my employers rules”…

@ArcheryAnnie

You say someone “gave it” to you. There’s a fair chance you passed it on to someone else, maybe more vulnerable and maybe you’ve inadvertently caused a huge amount of harm to someone’s life too. Do you blame yourself?

Mickarooni it's entirely possible I passed on the infection to other people, but I don't blame myself. You know why? Because I took every precaution I could in order not to pass it on. I am as meticulous as I can be about social distancing, and wash and/or sanitise my hands frequently I wear a good mask properly over my nose and mouth, and clean it well after every use, except on the (many) occasions I have hospital visits, in which case I wear a medical-grade one. I test when I have any doubts about my health, and before visiting vulnerable friends and family. I miss tubes and buses if they seem over-full, and wait for the next one. I always open the windows on buses and tubes if they are shut when I get on. I isolated when testing positive, and for a few days after testing neg again, just in case. I can't, on the whole, wfh, so I am out and about most days, and this seems to me to be a sensible thing if I am to continue to work in central London, both to keep me safe, and to keep other people safe from me.

What I don't do is recklessly mix with other people, when I know I have a positive status, and keel that information from those people I am mixing with. Because I'm not an irresponsible selfish arsehole.l

But you are extremely judgemental and think everyone should act like you!

He went to work, not a race!

What others do is not your business.

It is my business if it hurts me.

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