For telling my neighbour he should stay home

[queensonia]

My next door neighbours both tested positive for COVID on the weekend. Today I saw the husband getting in his car to go to work. He works for a medium sized public company with a lot of staff. He said he was told that he’s not legally obliged to isolate and that if he felt well enough he should still go into work. I told him he was morally obliged to isolate because he could infect colleagues who may suffer far worse than he is currently and pass it on to their relatives who may also get very ill or die. Is this what everyone is doing now.? In my industry we are pcr tested twice a week and not allowed on site until the test is negative.

I understand your feelings it's still worrying, however it's not really your place to tell him or question what he is doing.

“All those people saying we just need to learn to live with it now, haven't got someone they love they think might die from Covid.“

My husband is CEV and the whole family isolated until vaccines were developed to protect him.

He has now had 3, 4th due soon and has been firmly of the opinion that our adult children and younger relatives should no longer live their lives to protect him.
Our youngest suffered dreadfully, missed pretty much the entirety of sixth form college to protect dad.

Husband has Covid at the moment (he’s been at death’s door with his complicated conditions twice in the past four years, was given a 5 % chance of survival the last time. He survived.)
Second test today, one week later, still positive. Mild symptoms, needs to watch his blood pressure (usually hypertensive, it’s low atm so he’s experiencing dizziness). We’re confident of a good recovery.

I absolutely agree with him. The rest of society needs to move on. Those who refused the vaccines made their choice and must live with the consequences.
Those who cannot take it have to take appropriate precautions, as they always have for every other contagious infection or disease.
Prior to Covid, my husband could be hospitalised if he contracted ‘flu so the family all took the vaccine.

The Government should certainly be doing more to help that minority, though.

@Abaababa

YANBU, and shocked at the vicious replies. Sadly, 'minding your own business' takes precedent over public health. Should we mind our own business as well when children or the elderly are being abused?

If someone went to work with the flu (similar level of fatality to Covid now), their colleagues would be rightly disgusted at the person's selfishness. The same applies here.

Or are those in the 'mind your own business' camp OK with sharing a desk, eating lunch, having a face to face meeting, sharing toilets with a person with Covid?! Probably f' not.

Yep. Happy to share a desk, have lunch etc. So your 'probably f' not' comment is wrong. I'd happily f' do so!

Those who refused the vaccines made their choice and must live with the consequences.

Everyone I know who’s had Covid in the last 6 months is double or triple vaccinated. So the vaccine is no guarantee that you won’t get it. My CEV friend is being super careful in spite of being triple vaccinated.

Whatever the government says I will still continue to be super careful and respectful of other people. Because some double triple vaccinated people have had it very badly.

I don’t think my mortgage is more important than other people’s health, or other people’s mortgages.

TatianaBis

Those who refused the vaccines made their choice and must live with the consequences.

Everyone I know who’s had Covid in the last 6 months is double or triple vaccinated. So the vaccine is no guarantee that you won’t get it. My CEV friend is being super careful in spite of being triple vaccinated.“

Well yes, that’s part of my point. My husband is triple vaccinated but currently has Covid. He has mild symptoms. We never expected it to prevent us contracting Covid, that was never the promise. We were told it would lessen its impact, which it has in his case and in the case of many other CEV people.

So yes, people who chose not to take the vaccine must live with the consequences of their decision.

TatianaBis

Whatever the government says I will still continue to be super careful and respectful of other people. Because some double triple vaccinated people have had it very badly.

I don’t think my mortgage is more important than other people’s health, or other people’s mortgages.“

I am too. Despite living side by side with my husband, I’m negative a week on. Testing daily. Won’t go out until my husband tests negative too.

That’s very easy for me though. Very, very difficult for others whose children don’t eat if they don’t go to work.

So yes, people who chose not to take the vaccine must live with the consequences of their decision.

It’s a non sequitur - the only issue here is whether someone is Covid +. If they are and they gad about infecting people, they must take the consequences irrespective of their vacc status.

I know only a few unvaccinated people and those that had it, had it mildly.

He's literally not breaking any laws now. I would do the same if I felt well. Though I've never tested so wouldn't know if I had it or not. 🤷‍♀️

@Waxonwaxoff0 you paid me no respect. That’s exactly whats wrong with this country. People don’t care about each other.

Respect (as an FYI because you should have some) would be saying I’m sorry for your situation, some people have no choice but the majority do (majority of employers are paying people because guess what - if your entire workforce is sick you won’t have a business….and if they’re not you’re probably/hopefully in a bracket where statutory would help). And if you have a choice think of others. Have respect, have empathy, just be kind

@queensonia

He could have got paid sick leave.. He is a senior manager with full employment benefits so it is not a case of losing money if he stayed home.

How do you know that.?? Not the case in most places

@wednesdayafternoon I think after April 1 it's meant to be the same as if you have flu or norovirus - the government will leave it up to people to decide what to do if they have something infectious. I'm not sure that will work. We can all think of people who come to work when they are ill even if they could easily stay at home.

I think the ending of free testing is a shame. A lot of people used them before meeting up with someone vulnerable. I heard on the news that each test will cost about £2 when they stop the free ones.

[quote Carla2601]@Waxonwaxoff0 you paid me no respect. That’s exactly whats wrong with this country. People don’t care about each other.

Respect (as an FYI because you should have some) would be saying I’m sorry for your situation, some people have no choice but the majority do (majority of employers are paying people because guess what - if your entire workforce is sick you won’t have a business….and if they’re not you’re probably/hopefully in a bracket where statutory would help). And if you have a choice think of others. Have respect, have empathy, just be kind[/quote]
I could have said I was sorry for your situation, but it wouldn't change my post and would probably just have sounded patronising. Empathy goes two ways, if you want people to have empathy and show you kindness then you need to do the same back. You're being dismissive of problems that other people face. You cannot seriously expect that people will put strangers ahead of what's best for their own families.

Well done OP.

If only we had more neighbours like you.

@Gardengate45

Well done OP.

If only we had more neighbours like you.

Why? He still went to work!

@Gardengate45

Well done OP.

If only we had more neighbours like you.

Why? What would that change?

The 'not your place' people are in charge now, didn't you know? COVID is also apparently some sort of tramp trump card now. Want to park on the zigzags outside school?, just claim COVID. Anyone who challenges you should apparently wind their neck in. I've quit my voluntary role today visiting lonely people in the community today because of one of these 'not your place types'.

... Not your place to care about people not your place to get involved in the community. Not your place to report a crime, apparently noone has any responsibilities to fellow humans anymore

@Onlyforcake

The 'not your place' people are in charge now, didn't you know? COVID is also apparently some sort of tramp trump card now. Want to park on the zigzags outside school?, just claim COVID. Anyone who challenges you should apparently wind their neck in. I've quit my voluntary role today visiting lonely people in the community today because of one of these 'not your place types'. ... Not your place to care about people not your place to get involved in the community. Not your place to report a crime, apparently noone has any responsibilities to fellow humans anymore

Except it's no longer a crime to go out with Covid.

People's responsibilities towards THEIR OWN FAMILIES are their priority. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Keep your brak out its nothing to do with you.

There’s someone in my husband’s office who has gone to work with Covid. Everyone has dragged their desks away from her and is wearing masks. They’re refusing to touch anything she’s touched like the kettle or vending machine. One lady is pregnant and she has walked out. So has a lady who had breast cancer recently. It’s disgusting that this one woman has put others at risk like this.

Surely the fault is also with the company for encouraging people with covid to come to work.

People's responsibilities towards THEIR OWN FAMILIES are their priority. What is so difficult to understand about that?

There's two people who I work with who would be extremely vulnerable to Covid (plus another who cares for their elderly mother with dementia and someone whose wife has cancer). I really would not want their deaths on my conscience if I went to work knowing I had Covid, passed it on to them and the worst happened. Luckily my employer wouldn't expect that.

@Donra

There’s someone in my husband’s office who has gone to work with Covid. Everyone has dragged their desks away from her and is wearing masks. They’re refusing to touch anything she’s touched like the kettle or vending machine. One lady is pregnant and she has walked out. So has a lady who had breast cancer recently. It’s disgusting that this one woman has put others at risk like this.

Exactly this. I know most of the people on here are saying they'd be perfectly happy to work with somebody who has Covid (or flu, or whatever) and they are entitled to that viewpoint. But what are the significant number of workers who would have very good reasons to be very, very unhappy about it ? The government's Health and Safety guidance states: "All workers are entitled to work in environments where risks to their health and safety are properly controlled. Under health and safety law, the primary responsibility for this is down to employers. Employers have a duty to consult with their employees, or their representatives, on health and safety matters."

@GrolliffetheDragon

People's responsibilities towards THEIR OWN FAMILIES are their priority. What is so difficult to understand about that?

There's two people who I work with who would be extremely vulnerable to Covid (plus another who cares for their elderly mother with dementia and someone whose wife has cancer). I really would not want their deaths on my conscience if I went to work knowing I had Covid, passed it on to them and the worst happened. Luckily my employer wouldn't expect that.

That's great. Still doesn't change the fact that not everyone can afford to worry about their colleagues or have understanding employers.

We're all disposable according to the government. The more sick, elderly and disabled that die, the fewer they need to support.
As long as the rich guys make a profit nothing else matters.