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To be annoyed at parents saying our baby is 'in charge' of us

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cirillaofcintra · 22/03/2022 15:17

Is this just a generational thing or are DH and I really meek/pushover parents. Both my mum and PIL have recently separately said our 6mo is 'in charge' and 'rules the house'. My mum said to the baby (with me well within earshot) "you're not in charge, mummy is. Mummy's the one who needs to be in charge". She hasn't said anything to my face. Whereas PIL outright said "How can something so tiny totally rule the household".

I'd say we are on the attachment parenting side but not totally. We have recently sleep trained to get DD in her big cot. But we make heavy use of the sling round the house as DD doesn't like to be put down. We carry her a lot as she doesn't like sitting in laps. We co slept from 3m - 6m as it was the best way to maximise sleep for everyone, it then stopped working so well recently hence the move to her own room. She is generally a fussy/high needs baby so taking her round to their houses involves a lot of carrying, entertaining, jiggling etc. and inevitable fussiness. I am doing some BLW as well as cooking all her food from scratch, my MIL often expresses incredulity/amazement at this. Finally I breastfed until 6m so would often need to take baby out the room multiple times during visits for feeds as she was a noisy/fussy feeder. She fed little and often. Cue surprise at how often she needed feeds, 'she can't be hungry she only just fed'.

I feel we have just been responsive and focused on meeting DD's needs in a gentle loving way, but now I am doubting myself a bit and wondering if we should have been putting her down more, letting her fuss a bit more in order to get used to it. She still hates being left alone when I need the loo and screams being put down for naps etc, have we made her this way? It's the separate comments from both sides... clearly we come off as pushovers.

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gratitudeitis · 22/03/2022 20:56

You're being her parents. Meeting her needs. Some people don't understand the importance of that and instead describe it as 'spoiling' the child or 'creating a rod for your own back' etc. but ultimately, your child will begin to move away slightly from you when she's ready which may be around 18 months - 2 years. Right now she's a baby and you're forming your relationship with her. It doesn't matter what your parents on PIL thinks because this is your baby and your family.

AliasGrape · 22/03/2022 20:57

Babies are not manipulative.

‘Rod for your own back’ is bollocks.

Babies don’t need teaching to be independent - or if they do, the way to do that is to allow them to be as dependent as they need to be first, so they feel secure and confident that their needs will be met.

One silver lining of having a lockdown baby is that there weren’t as many people around to tell me how I was doing it wrong! We did like you - carried her as much as she wanted (basically always), always responsive, coslept for pretty much the first year, fed on demand.
She was the clingiest baby known to man and I had a lot of tuts and implications about how I was ‘making her’ or ‘allowing her’ to be that way from certain quarters. I did doubt myself like you are doing quite often.

She’s coming up on 20 months now and is one of the most confident and fearless toddlers I’ve ever come across. Her childminder had commented on it, people at toddler groups comment on it, the teacher at the swimming class we go to was just commenting on it this evening, she’s in a class with older ones and more than holds her own. I’m not saying it’s because of how we parented, and no doubt we will have more clingy phases to come, but we definitely haven’t held her back at all by being responsive during the times she needed it. She’s still pretty demanding of our time and attention but that pretty much goes with the territory I think!

You sound like great parents and you’re doing a great job. I’ve got really good at either ignoring the nonsense, or if a response is really required I’ll say ‘thanks, this way is working for us right now’ in a way that makes it clear no further discussion is required.

HiJenny35 · 22/03/2022 20:57

I Co slept, I cuddled to sleep, I rocked baby, I still cuddle 5 year old to sleep, I've loved every minute, I got more sleep than mums who were moaning about waking several times for babies in cots in their own room, I made the most of that time while they were little, wasn't a rod it was a joy, I'd embrace the comments, thank goodness they think you are so aware and attentive as a parent.

myyellowcar · 22/03/2022 20:58

The biggest mistakes I’ve made as a parent is when I listened to this sort of thing from my own DM. The beliefs she has about how to care for small babies leave a lot to be desired.

You know your baby best. You can only parent the child in front of you.

RowanAlong · 22/03/2022 21:04

It’s generational. Please ignore them!

Xpologog · 22/03/2022 21:08

Your baby, your rules.
They brought their children up how they wanted. They’ve had their turn. Now it’s yours and they shouldn’t interfere. I’d never dream of commenting how either of my DDs raise their children. It’s nothing to do with me.

Fossilsmorefossils · 22/03/2022 21:16

I feel we have just been responsive and focused on meeting DD's needs in a gentle loving way, but now I am doubting myself a bit and wondering if we should have been putting her down more,

If it's not a problem for you, then it isn't a problem. You sound like a very involved (in a good way!) parent. So when you see that she needs extra boundaries you'll provide them. Other people always think that they know how to parent your child but they're wrong. You know her best and you'll know when she needs love and attention and when she needs to learn to deal with things. Trust your instinct.

Mischance · 22/03/2022 21:20

Ignore them - your child, your way.

It is particularly unpleasant that the comment was made in a snide way via the baby - totally unacceptable. Watch out for that in the future when the baby is able to understand what is going on.

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FTEngineerM · 22/03/2022 21:25

by holding her constantly you have created a baby that screams when she’s put down for naps or when you go to the loo

It’s totally down to the baby’s personality and nothing to do with the parents care giving style… I’ve patented the two children the exact same and one likes being on his own one hates it(?).

godmum56 · 22/03/2022 21:28

@sweetbambi

Not a parent just yet I will just say one thing i have noticed. Children with parents that were not as quick to fulfill all of the babies demands etc had a tendency to be lower maintenance and less fussy. One baby in particular who had a very relaxed mother when it came to some things was actually an amazing sleeper. The few over night babysitting I did not a peep came from the nursery... and my cousin was one of the most low maintenance babies ever... probably because she as a baby figured that even her fussing and crying did not get her mother's attention right away... not saying this is something that should be done or that I would do but I have notices babies from parents that I guess in a way put themselves first are lower maintenance then others and it does make me sad to think at how young they must have figured out that crying and fussing is of no use....
there is actual (rather horrible) research about this which I can't find so here's a more modern piece. inews.co.uk/opinion/sleep-training-babies-cause-distress-research-1199132

Its also a known "thing" about babies and small children in hospital. Parents used to be discouraged from visiting frequently or at all because it "upset the children". if parents didn't visit then the children stopped crying and were quiet which was seen as "better for the children" It wasn't recognised that the quietness was giving up hope....there is a current NSPCC ad saying "xxx doesn't cry because he knows that no one will come"

JudgeJ · 22/03/2022 21:28

@MrsMingech

Fuck 'em.
As I sincerely hope your children will do to you when they're parents and you're saying things.
sweetbambi · 22/03/2022 21:30

@godmum56 it is so so so sad and I don't think I would have it in me to just leave a child to cry. Especially at such a very young age etc.

Gotajobthrunepotism · 22/03/2022 21:30

In fairness my mum has always said that a baby “rules the roost”. Never as a criticism just a fact that the household revolves
Around them

JudgeJ · 22/03/2022 21:31

@FTEngineerM

by holding her constantly you have created a baby that screams when she’s put down for naps or when you go to the loo

It’s totally down to the baby’s personality and nothing to do with the parents care giving style… I’ve patented the two children the exact same and one likes being on his own one hates it(?).

But why do so many babies seem to have personalities that demand being constantly hauled about, they didn't used to?
Londoncallingtothefarawaytowns · 22/03/2022 21:33

Lol. My DM who i see rarely in person, likes to tell me such gems as " my 6 week ols baby is spoiled because he doesnt want to be put down.."
( no concept of 4th trimester)
a few weeks ago, i was on the phone with her and arguing with DH who had slammed a door and woke baby up.
DM" well Baby needs to learn to sleep through
noise..."
me: " fuck off mum , cos you can keep repeating that, but its not actually changing the fact that the baby IS a light sleeper."

I also co sleep and not really in a rush to get baby out of the bed tbh, what IS the rush?
If its DMIL i just chuckle and DM gets it straight Grin

Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 22/03/2022 21:43

@sweetbambi have the parents told you that they left them cry and that's why they're so chill or are you just surmising? In your first post it seemed like an assumption. I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that chill babies are ones who've learned not to fuss and have lost all hope. I have no doubt that babies who are effectively abandoned don't cry or fuss but it definitely doesn't follow from that that all chill babies have effectively been abandoned and neglected by their parents to the point of giving up hope.

DreamTheMoors · 22/03/2022 21:45

@fullofpips

Sounds like you're doing well. Some people just can't understand that others do things differently.
I met a couple at a backyard party once who carried their three-yr-old, quite large, little boy the entire time — like three or four hours, and that kid’s feel never hit the ground. When I mentioned to the mother how heavy he must be, she replied, “no — we’re gardeners and we’ve toted him his entire life. He’s used to being in our arms or on our backs.” The darling little boy was beautifully behaved and happy and although I wouldn’t do it that way, they seemed quite successful in their approach to parenting. To each his own.
Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 22/03/2022 21:47

@cirillaofcintra I'd be making it clear to yourself that you are the person in charge in your family- you and your husband. And as a team you are choosing to raise your child a certain way and you're happy with it. Your baby isn't ultimately calling the shots- you're giving your baby what you are perceiving as his needs. You are in total control. Unless your balling your eyes out saying I don't want to do this but I have to for the baby in which case your dmil is probably right. But somehow I doubt that. It's ok to put your baby first, and it's ok to put yourself first. But putting someone else's needs in front of your own doesn't mean that they're controlling you.

TokyoTen · 22/03/2022 21:49

If baby is happy and you are not unduly struggling then it's fine!

sweetbambi · 22/03/2022 21:49

@43Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov 4 of them are close family friends that are my mum's friends or their children's children that I have all baby sat. So I do know the parents quiet well I would say

SunnyCoco · 22/03/2022 21:50

Ohhhhhh she's just a little baby who wants to be with her parents
It's totally normal
You aren't doing anything wrong - they've just forgotten how hard things can be!

sweetbambi · 22/03/2022 21:50

@43Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov I was just pointing out a pattern I noticed

SeasonFinale · 22/03/2022 21:52

Do it your way but one thing I would say is that I wouldn't leave a room to feed. Why would you not just do it where everyone else is?