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Husband wants to cancel family holiday to celebrate late father's birthday AIBU

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Celtic1hair · 21/03/2022 10:35

Posting here for advice as I'm at the end of my tether and am not sure what to do. FIL passed away 4 years age, this year would have been a big birthday. For context we have three small children and haven't been away on holiday since 2019. For months my husband has been the driving force to go away this year, saying nothing is more important than somehow affording a holiday for us as a family, wanting to make memories and for the children to enjoy. Booked two weeks off in the summer, and managed to get the same two weeks.
Fast forward to yesterday, he casually announced he would in fact like to visit his family instead to celebrate what would have been FIL birthday. It falls smack bang in the middle of the two weeks, likely meaning we can't go away.
I empathise with him, I know he will always grieve his father's loss and ordinarily I'd do anything to support him, but surely he has to put us first? For context, we have no other annual leave together as have to alternate for childcare. It predictably became a huge row, he stormed out of the car leaving me and the kids to go out for the day on our own. I went back to my parents and we haven't spoken since, apart from a message he sent saying how unbelievably rude and outrageous I was.

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AmIbeingTreasonable · 22/03/2022 04:26

He's grieving so hard for his father he forgot when the birthday was.....riiight 🤨

GiantHaystacks2021 · 22/03/2022 04:47

I hate it when people prioritise the dead over the living, to a ridiculous degree like that.
It's not like the guy died last week - he's been dead from one Olympic games to the next.

I'd tell him to go and fuck off for himself, he can stay at home and wallow and performance mourn and you and the kids go on holiday.

WalkingOnTheCracks · 22/03/2022 05:14

@Vanderpump

If his fathers birthday had been so important to him then he wouldn't have booked that particular fortnight for a holiday in the first place
So if you deduce that it’s not important to him, what do you think is going on, Miis Marple?
Dreambigger · 22/03/2022 05:41

Hope u got sorted you are def not being unreasonable. I can't believe some of these responses! Even the storming off and leaving you going on a day trip is a total overreaction. Is there something else going on here? He's been dead for four years and nothing has been planned..what is this really about ? It would put me right off him !!!

Wren44 · 22/03/2022 05:49

Your husband’s behaviour is bang out of order. What utter nonsense. Out of all the times in the year he wants to go right in the middle of the only time you managed to take off? That’s not on. You and the children should go on holiday without him.

Cocogreen · 22/03/2022 06:12

Well his behaviour sounds idiotic to me.
Both my parents are dead.
One died at 78 and the other at 84.
Did we celebrate their "big birthdays" when they turned 80 and 90 we did not because they are dead.
However grief isn't linear and this 70th birthday must have triggered something in him and I'd respect that.
But I wouldn't miss a family two weeks holiday so he can visit the grave for half an hour or whatever he wants to do.
You need to communicate about what's actually planned for the day and go from there.

girlmom21 · 22/03/2022 06:29

@PinaColada123456

What’s unhealthy about enmeshment with your natal family? Are you supposed to dial down all attachment to your parents and siblings when you enter a romantic relationship?

Yes! It's called MARRIAGE. It's not some 'romantic relationship', you're acting like they are simply dating! He is married! Your wife and children become your number one priority. That's what marriage is all about. You form a life with someone and they become your nuclear family.

You have some really strange perceptions on life. Getting married doesn't mean you abandon your biological family. It means you extend your family.

There are more people to consider, not just different ones.

Celtic1hair · 22/03/2022 06:46

Hi all, again thank you for your replies and input. Long "discussion" last night, the gist of it being is that he admits he was an arsehole to storm off, drop a bomb on me and then expect me to be able to carry on. This is something we will have to address, and I'm going to book us in for councelling because that's unhealthy and not a behaviour I can tolerate going forward, he needs to be able to manage his emotions better. He said it stemmed from the fact he genuinely couldn't believe how angry I was, and thought I would be more understanding based on how supportive I've been since his father passed.
Honestly, a lot of the things he said last night are so contradictory it's almost as if I am in the room with two people. On one hand he is desperate for a holiday for the kids and us and can't see why we can't go away for the first week. I said that's fine, but what if the only dates we can do clash.....silence. He isn't a particularly emotional man, much prefers bottling things up but seemed to get it out of him that it "doesn't sit well with him to be jollying up when he SHOULD be there". Says it's because it's such a special date (70th birthday), that we would have been celebrating with him if he was alive and does not want to not be there with his family to mark the occasion and be together. If I'm truthful I find the whole thing morbid and as terrible as it sounds, he isn't here to celebrate it is he? That's surely worse to have to make a big event of the fact he never made it to celebrate.
I genuinely can't get it through to him that his father would be turning in his grave if he could see what's going on.
Its difficult for me, as as hard as I try and understand and support, I've never been in his situation, and if I'm honest I find the whole thing absurd. Noone could be closer than my father and his parents, and I'm not even convinced by dad knows where my nans ashes are, I suppose as a family we don't hold much importance for things like this, much prefer to actually celebrate people and put effort into things when they are alive. But my husband obviously feels differently and I do respect that.
I just feel, and I am respectful to his feelings (I know my opinions aren't always right) but on this occasion he cannot use his grief over these occasions as a benchmark for the respect he has for his father? These are all perceived notions he has, and it's fine until it starts creeping into the rest of his life and affecting others.

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ChiselandBits · 22/03/2022 06:55

It's good you're talking but in the end he can't be in two places at once. A one week, saturday to Saturday would work and allow him to be back, even if he's knackered and then you can some nice dad out or even a few nights in a UK resort the second week. That's the compromise position but personally I'm with you on the basic idea that what would have been someone's birthday is a bit irrelevant when they are no longer here.

Celtic1hair · 22/03/2022 06:59

God that was long and rambling, sorry! And I'm not sure if it makes that much sense, harder to put things into word sometimes isn't it? I hope you all understand what I'm trying to say!
Also I will be going away with the children, he said he only told me to take them by myself in anger and of course he didn't mean it Hmm
I will try and compromise by going the week before, but only because he is a good man and if even if I don't think he has any duty to be there, I don't want that burden to rest on him. However if the dates don't work, we will be going away and can raise a toast to his father, and can celebrate with his family before or after we get back. I don't honestly believe he wouldn't come, bit I do think he is so unbelievably torn, but that's something he needs to deal with because it's a completely over the top reaction. I've suggested bereavement support but he feels it's unnecessary, and that he is dealing with his loss normally, despite me suggesting otherwise. I want him to be able to mention his father with a smile but honestly it breaks my heart that he can't. His sense of loss is overwhelming and I think (sorry to try and be an armchair psychologist) that's why he puts such a huge emphasis on these occasions. Like there are never funny anecdotes, just sort of "he should be here to see this" sorry if I'm not explaining it well.
I guess my point of view is the same as a previous poster who pointed out her mother missed her father every day, not just birthdays. And 70 is not more significant that 69 or 71 and it's really crap he didn't reach any of them, really really crap. However it doesn't change anything, life is for the living and should be celebrated

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Celtic1hair · 22/03/2022 07:07

@ChiselandBits

It's good you're talking but in the end he can't be in two places at once. A one week, saturday to Saturday would work and allow him to be back, even if he's knackered and then you can some nice dad out or even a few nights in a UK resort the second week. That's the compromise position but personally I'm with you on the basic idea that what would have been someone's birthday is a bit irrelevant when they are no longer here.
I just find it maudlin to put such an emphasis on it, it feels a bit like it's putting a spotlight on what he's lost. But people are different and I do respect that, but it is 4 years down the line, I'm certainly not saying he shouldn't grieve any more butnot at the expense of his kids and his father, nor the rest of his family would tell him to give his head a wobble! I do think he doesn't really deal well with things and he's put a huge emphasis in his mind on this now and lost some perspective
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Blondeshavemorefun · 22/03/2022 07:08

So he’s agreed to a week away then see his mum

Like I suggested

Why would you say dates clash

You just find a holiday sat to sat

Many people go away for a week

PinaColada123456 · 22/03/2022 07:08

Does he have any siblings that you could talk to who could talk some sense into him? How about one of his mates?

Gardeningcreature · 22/03/2022 07:11

So let’s get this straight. When you said let’s book 2 weeks annual leave for X date, he didn’t even think about his dead father. In fact it being his dead father’s birthday in the middle of the agreed time period never entered his mind.
Hmmmmm.
Now it’s all your fault.
I wouldn’t be standing for any of this. His cock up he can sort it out.
Instead of having the decency to admit to his mother that actually, his fathers birthday did not figure in his mind one tiny bit, he blames you.
No I’d be going on holiday either with or without him, his choice if he wants to come or not.

BeHappy91818 · 22/03/2022 07:21

@Blondeshavemorefun

So he’s agreed to a week away then see his mum

Like I suggested

Why would you say dates clash

You just find a holiday sat to sat

Many people go away for a week

Because that’s not what the OP wants.

She’s stamping her feet like a child as she won’t get her holiday she wanted which is 2 weeks abroad.

It’s funny how she always says ‘I respect that’ and then goes in to say BUT….. but nothing… you don’t respect how he feels at all.

Celtic1hair · 22/03/2022 07:21

Yes, he said he did know it was his father's birthday, he just didn't realise until it was all booked that it would have been his 70th. I do agree, but I'll conceed that he hadn't realised at the time. Its just that he's making such an issue of this now I think is unhealthy. Because he now knows, he would be the worst person in the world for not being there with his mother.
I am trying to be sympathetic and supportive, but our opinions on such things are so wildly different, which is why it's been really helpful everyone who has taken the time to comment, as I'm sure I can be tunnel visioned and that could come across as nasty.

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2Rebecca · 22/03/2022 07:21

My mother died in her 60s. I usually phone my father and speak to him on her birthday but we don't have family get togethers on her birthday and I try not to remember the anniversary of her death as that seems to be focussing on the wrong thing. I miss her most around mother's day.
Cancelling a 2 week family holiday for an extended family mope fest sounds odd. He can visit his father's grave any time.

BeHappy91818 · 22/03/2022 07:22

@Celtic1hair

Yes, he said he did know it was his father's birthday, he just didn't realise until it was all booked that it would have been his 70th. I do agree, but I'll conceed that he hadn't realised at the time. Its just that he's making such an issue of this now I think is unhealthy. Because he now knows, he would be the worst person in the world for not being there with his mother. I am trying to be sympathetic and supportive, but our opinions on such things are so wildly different, which is why it's been really helpful everyone who has taken the time to comment, as I'm sure I can be tunnel visioned and that could come across as nasty.
Funny how you only thanked the posters that agreed with you 😂
Bingbangbongbash · 22/03/2022 07:22

I think you’re not being very fair on him. I’ve read all your posts and you’re seeing problems before they even start - what if the dates don’t work? What if we have to travel for 2 days either end?

You want a 10 day, foreign holiday, which is fine. But own it. Don’t make excuses about ‘making memories’ and ‘the kids need a holiday’. Kids don’t care if you’re in Lanzarote or Land’s End. A beach, some ice cream, they’re laughing.

But your husband has complex, conflicting feelings about the holiday, falling, is it does, over his father’s 70th. On the one hand, he wants it so badly - perhaps even because he’s been grieving for so long, and the last 2 years it’s been set against a time of national sadness and strangeness.

But on the other hand, the idea of being somewhere hot and sunny and living his life, ‘making memories’ when his dad isn’t able to, perhaps feels wrong. His sadness and grief is likely wrapped up in guilt for wanting happiness. These are all very common feelings after the death of a loved one.

Compounding those feelings is that he forgot his dad’s birthday for a moment, when he booked the time off. So he’s feeling even more guilty. But that’s not a ‘gotcha’ moment like PP have implied; it’s another reason it’s even more important to him to connect with his dad again, by visiting the grave, surrounding himself with the people who knew him best, celebrating his birthday. I’m staggered more people don’t see this.

It wouldn’t even occur to me to make it difficult for my husband to deal with the 70th birthday of his dad in whatever way he wants - even if it meant changing our holiday plans from abroad to local. Is it the holiday you hoped for? No. But will you still have fun and make memories? Of course. And you’ll do it knowing you have shown kindness and support to a grieving loved one.

Imagine this thread on Dadsnet: ‘my wife won’t let me see my family for my deceased dad’s birthday because it stops us going to the Maldives’

Celtic1hair · 22/03/2022 07:26

@Blondeshavemorefun

So he’s agreed to a week away then see his mum

Like I suggested

Why would you say dates clash

You just find a holiday sat to sat

Many people go away for a week

Thanks, sorry of it's not been clear, yes plenty of people suggest compromise, the issue was he was not one of them! And I do know people go away for a week, of course we would be lucky to do so but it was the complete shut down that if we couldn't get the dates to work (flights etc) then we wouldn't be going, which is where I felt he was unreasonable.
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nolongersurprised · 22/03/2022 07:28

Funny how you only thanked the posters that agreed with you 😂

Well, judging by the poll pretty much everyone is with the OP on this one.

I find it all very weird as well, OP and I’d be livid about the holiday. It’s important to have something to look forward to and with 3 under 7 you will be busy.

After you die you stop having milestone birthdays. Ridiculous to celebrate them for a dead person

Dreambigger · 22/03/2022 07:31

He definitely needs help with bereavement but why if this is such a life changing event for him and such a landmark was nothing planned and in the diary for this date already ?! Is MIL organising something you don't know about ? It still doesn't make sense to me...I agree with you. Life is for now and your young family and you can still celebrate FIL bday.

CollyFleur · 22/03/2022 07:32

@Celtic1hair

There's nothing planned. He just wants to visit his mother and the grave on the day.
I think that's fair enough to be honest. I don't know why neither of you considered the dates when you booked the holiday though. Perhaps he hadn't realised there would be any commemoration if the date at the time of booking.

Where is the grave? Could you build a holiday around it? Or have a two centre holiday where you passed by MIL's place and the grave when travelling between the two? You don't have to go abroad to make lovely memories with your children you know!

Bingbangbongbash · 22/03/2022 07:33

You’re not celebrating the birthday for the dead person, you’re doing it for the loved ones remaining. Regardless of how stupid you think it is, it’s important to him. Support him or don’t, but don’t discount his feelings and his journey through grief because it isn’t what you would do.

Dreambigger · 22/03/2022 07:36

@nolongersurprised

Funny how you only thanked the posters that agreed with you 😂

Well, judging by the poll pretty much everyone is with the OP on this one.

I find it all very weird as well, OP and I’d be livid about the holiday. It’s important to have something to look forward to and with 3 under 7 you will be busy.

After you die you stop having milestone birthdays. Ridiculous to celebrate them for a dead person

Yes. Sorry but when you are dead you don't have birthdays ! What is this ?