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AIBU?

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Children expressing emotions AIBU

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Idkiibu · 19/03/2022 13:17

Me and my friend have different parenting styles. But reflecting back from our yesterday’s conversation with her, I’m trying to understand AIBU towards my own 2 children?
We are talking about children aged 7-10 years old. My friend’s children are sometimes tired after school etc and it comes out the way that I wouldn’t personally accept from my own children, e.g. shouting at parents, kicking things, saying rude staff like “shut up” and slamming the door. My friend talks to her children in a calm way and is trying to “ride it out”. I respect her patience, I really do.
But I don’t accept this with my own. A few times it happened I said to my children firmly that I’m always there for them, they can embrace me and spend time with me, they can tell me everything and we will find the way out of the situation, etc etc. But I don’t deserve to be shouted at and there will be no door slamming at my house, so they have to approach me in a different way and I’ll help them then. I don’t want my children to bottle things up, but am I wrong that at this age they have to learn not to hurt others emotionally even if they are upset? On the other hand, children are only learning about how to express themselves and can’t always control their emotions.
I feel like our approaches are different and that’s fine but am I too strict to my children? It’s not like they are not allowed to be upset or cry, it’s the aggression and shouting I can’t stomach. One day when my friend’s DS (9) was tired after his own party, he said to his mother “shut up, I hate you”. My heart was broken for her and I don’t know how she managed to stay calm. I said nothing and never mentioned it again after she said “it’s been a long day, he’s so tired”.
Our children don’t have SEN and do well at school, no behaviour concerns etc.

OP posts:
Idkiibu · 19/03/2022 14:50

@godmum56
Ok so at which point they are learning not to hurt others then.

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 19/03/2022 14:51

[quote Idkiibu]@Quartz2208
But it is about me too. Relationships are a two way street? We all have feelings and our own struggles. We are always there for them and I agree maybe I’m too sensitive but “I hate you” would really knock me down.[/quote]
But my point is that the I hate you isnt about you. DS doesnt hate me - far from it I know he loves me as I love him. So it doesnt knock me at all because I am confident in that he doesnt mean it.

And indeed fairly quickly he will tell me he loves me. He hates something else and this is his way of articulating it. Which he does afterwards and now he does it less

Rainallnight · 19/03/2022 14:56

I think this is all easier said than done with some kids. And some kids are just easier to parent/handle than others.

LBFseBrom · 19/03/2022 14:59

godmum is right there. When children say, "I hate you", they don't mean it.

If I had a pound for every time I told my mother I hated her, and she told me she cursed the day she ever had me, I would be a multimillionaire! Things improved later.

Undecidedandtorn · 19/03/2022 15:07

I feel the "I hate you" is to get attention. So I just say "that's a shame - I really love you " and just move on.

Bootothegoose · 19/03/2022 15:10

YANBU.

I suppose we 'gentle parent' although I dislike the term and tend to explain, mostly impose natural consequences, encourage discussions and questions and keep firm boundaries but our number one rule in our house is that we are a family and we respect each other's feelings and emotions as much as our own.

I was raised in a very corporal punishment household as was DH, lots of shouting, smacking, fear, high expectations and it wasn't a cycle I wanted to continue. It's very much been a learning curve as I am naturally very quick to anger at aggression, however, as the children have gotten older we have learnt together.

Our style of parenting is very similar to yours. We outline boundaries and expectations and if they are crossed/not met then we respond accordingly I think it's called authorative? Whereas your friend's parenting is permissive, there doesn't seem to be any discipline. Kids need age appropriate consequences as much as they need understanding.

For my children, shouting doesn't work. It escalates the confrontation and merely shows them when we want someone to listen we have to shout. That doesn't mean I haven't absolutely lost my shit, quite the contrary, but afterwards I always acknowledge and apologise and I expect the same off them.

Whilst I am very aware of their emotions/moods, that does not make them unaccountable for their behaviour. If they are unkind/shout then I encourage them to calm down by mirroring deep breathing, doing self squeeze, stress balls etc but reiterating shouting is unacceptable.

Once they have calmed down, we deal with their problem, explain why their behaviour wasn't a good choice and we can lose privileges.

Last weekend DS woke up in a stonker of a mood, I was patient, patient, patient, reiterated boundaries and warned if his behaviour continued he would not be going to the big park, asked if he wanted to talk about anything, attempted to redirect etc but it didn't work. He was overly tired but that didn't excuse his behaviour.

The final straw was he ripped his sister's art work up so after comforting her. I went back to DS then explained very calmly Mummy had told him repeatedly that he was not making good choices and he would not be going to the park. He had upset his sister and ruined something she had worked very hard on. She had been very kind to him all day and that behaviour was not being reciprocated, he had now lost the privilege of going to the park.

He cried and he kicked off, shouted, threw himself around but he had been told. When DH came home from work he stayed with DS and I took DD to the park. We came home and he'd fallen asleep on the settee (very out of character for him) but woke up in a better mood. He apologised to DD, drew her a new picture and apologised for his behaviour. We talked afterwards about why Mummy hadn't taken him and why, he understood. We also talked about how he can express himself when he's frustrated and what is acceptable.

In your friend's shoes I would have given a very calm. 'That has really upset me. I love you very much and I've tried very hard to make your day special for you. How would you feel if I said that to you?' Birthday boy he would have to have that discussion, apologise and would have consequences.

We are raising our kids into the adults they are going to become and if you let them off the hook constantly because they're tired they will grow up thinking that's acceptable behaviour. Allowances should be given but not endless free passes.

MumOfOneAndDone · 19/03/2022 15:12

@JacksWorld the way you phrase that is just brilliant. Genuinely taking a screenshot so I can use that next time my LO acts up. Thank you!

Goldenbear · 19/03/2022 15:29

I don't do punishments so wouldn't take TV/phone away. They have never told me they hate me but they have been cross and teenager has slammed a door occasionally. I leave them alone or ask what is wrong but don't push it and later they will always apologise to me off their own back. It is quite rare for excessive stroppiness. I probably have a higher than average threshold as I can be quite melodramatic and feel it is a character trait- I'm not sure how they can erase their personality and I wouldn't want them to as I accept difference.

BoredZelda · 19/03/2022 16:02

Can you imagine an adult being tired and the only way they know how to express it is by shouting, kicking things and slamming doors? It really doesn't work.

Can you imagine an adult shitting themselves instead of using a toilet?

Children aren’t adults. They have to learn the right skills in an age appropriate way. OP sees a snapshot and despite claiming the concern is about her own kids, it seems to me she wants to know that she is right.

Either way is fine. Raising kids isn’t just about what they do for half an hour when they get home from school.

Notdoingthis · 19/03/2022 16:14

Why don't you just walk away? If a child is so cross they are spamming doors, telking them they are wrong is not going to calm them down. Just leave them be, take a moment, and they will probably calm down quickly. Then have that conversation about how to express anger/tiredness/hunger and how you are upset by what they did. Offer strategies for dealing with it. I would avoid confrontation and model the behaviour I want to see. I wouldn't take offence or feel hurt.

pointythings · 19/03/2022 16:48

I'm with Lolapusht on this - you are making support for your children conditional because you can't handle expressed anger or upset.

That is your problem to deal with through counselling or other means. You are the adult here. Your children are not your carers and should not have to walk on eggshells around you.

Of course you should set boundaries for behaviour, but when your child is angry and upset because of something that happened, you need to help and support, not demand pandering to your issues.

Mylittlepixie · 19/03/2022 16:51

Different children require different methods. DS is very explosive and can be rude when hes upset and similar to your friends child. He is turning 8 soon. I have scolded him, yelled at him, punished him. It doesnt help, because when he blurts out these things its usually at a point where he cant control himself anymore. We have started a new approach now a few months ago. I always just ignore his bad behaviour and later when hes calm i talk to him about it and we figure out together how he could have reacted differently. He still blows up sometimes, but its much less now (maybe once a week. Before it was every day).
My DD is completely different. When she does something bad i just talk to her with a stern voice and she will not behave like that again. If i only had her as a child i would probably also think im way superior to other parents who struggle. Truth is that kids all behave differently and struggle with different things. So they need different strategies teaching them how to behave. Some kids learn to walk at 10months while others cant until they are 1.5years. Some kids learn not to swear by the age of 3 while others cant control it until much later. DD has never said anything rude to me in her entire life (shes 6). DS used to say he hates me all the time. He would also come to me later though and apologise and tell me he loves me and doesnt really want a new mum. Just in his moment of anger he couldnt hold back.

godmum56 · 19/03/2022 16:51

[quote Idkiibu]@godmum56
Ok so at which point they are learning not to hurt others then.[/quote]
interesting question...of course some adults never do!
but seriously any activity is composed of three parts and for any activity to be successful (it works) and reliable (it works most of the time) then the person needs top be competent in all three parts

  1. The will. They need to be motivated to do the whatever. They need to understand a benefit.
2 The skill. They need to have mastered the basic components needed to do the activity....so self control, am alternate behaviour, the ability to empathise and so on. 3 The drill. They need to know how to use the skills to perform the activity. They also need to be able to remember and recall all of the above.

You can mimic the system by teaching and enforcing rules but rules only work in limited circumstances and can become unwieldy. Requiring a child to never say they hate you won't stop them telling you your bum is big or telling aunty that they hate her.

but that is kind of beside my point....My point is...and its often said on here....you are their parent not their friend. They are children not adults. You cannot expect the same level of empathy and care for your feelings from children that you can from adults. Its like needing nappies, having to learn to feed themselves and so on...aspects of their immaturity which you should not be taking personally.

oh and PS your friend....could it be that she senses your disapproval of her parenting style and says "oh he's tired" in order to deflect your disapproval?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/03/2022 16:55

My dd used to go into absolute meltdown after school. Screaming, crying, kicking.

She’s 15 now, suspected ASD, social anxiety and can’t talk to teachers. Good job l didn’t get snotty about it. Sometimes they can’t help it. And issues aren’t always obvious at primary/infant age.

Quartz2208 · 19/03/2022 16:56

@Idkiibu would you geniunely believe that your DC does hate you though it if said it?

Because your friend remained calm and her heart didnt break because she knew it wasnt true. The fact that your heart broke means I think that you cant handle things like this and I agree some counselling is needed

CalpolOnToast · 19/03/2022 17:08

I wouldn't punish my DS for actions done when he's disregulated because when he's feeling better he'll feel bad about it and I think that's punishment enough.

However, I wouldn't ever give him what he wants while he's shouting and screaming because I think that runs the risk of him deciding that violence is the answer when he is actually in control of his actions.

If he's disregulated it would be "go cool off and when you can talk civilly we'll try and sort it out" sort of thing.

SeasonFinale · 19/03/2022 17:14

There is expressing emotions and being rude (which is what it sounds like friend's kids are being). In such circumstances rudeness is not acceptable and I would be very much in your camp and way of thinking. Kids need boundaries. They can have those but still know you are there when they need to express emotions of frustration, annoyance and sadness and can learn to express these without being rude or petulant to others.

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 19/03/2022 17:15

[quote Idkiibu]@Quartz2208
But it is about me too. Relationships are a two way street? We all have feelings and our own struggles. We are always there for them and I agree maybe I’m too sensitive but “I hate you” would really knock me down.[/quote]
But it's not a two-way street because you're talking about children who are still learning how to explain their feelings and regulate their emotions.

A child saying "I hate you" doesn't hate you, they're just expressing their upset or fear in the easiest way they know how.

By only supporting your children when they're calm, you're saying that when they're angry/upset/overwhelmed, you're not there for them because you can't handle those emotions in them, and that's not fair.

Sirzy · 19/03/2022 17:18

Your child needs to learn to deal with their own emotions before being expected to deal with yours at the same time too! Your basically asking them to hide their feelings to protect yours.

You need to work with them to find better methods for them to cope but don’t punish them for having feelings!

3WildOnes · 19/03/2022 17:28

One of mine was prone to acting out in the way you describe when he was upset. Being stern or really saying anything much in the moment would likely have inflamed the situation. So I probably wouldn’t have said much at the time and then spoken to him later when he was calm. My other two respond much better to your parenting, so I would just tell them to cut the behaviour out. If you saw me with those two you would probably think I was a great parent, if you saw me with my other child you would probably think I was a bit of a wet blanket raising a brat.

Onionpatch · 19/03/2022 17:34

My son has sen and part of is poor emotional regulation. We have to co-regulate his emotions whilst he learns. So we neither just excuse it or say go away and come back when calm.
Things we have to do are talk about our own emotions (eg I feel angry so I am taking deep breaths) and we help him name his emotions, learns to identify different levels of regulation and help him identify what helps him regulate.

godmum56 · 19/03/2022 17:35

@Sirzy

Your child needs to learn to deal with their own emotions before being expected to deal with yours at the same time too! Your basically asking them to hide their feelings to protect yours.

You need to work with them to find better methods for them to cope but don’t punish them for having feelings!

@Sirzy

This should be on the wall in every home!
"Your child needs to learn to deal with their own emotions before being expected to deal with yours at the same time too!"

Hawkins001 · 19/03/2022 17:38

Id say yours is the better method op

BluebellsGreenbells · 19/03/2022 17:46

I think you need to toughen up if you are to handle the teen years.

So child is angry at X situation and comes home cross - you know it’s not about you -
They need to let of steam and you ask a question ‘are you ok’

So what if they reply I hate you? They probably do in that split second as they hate everything and everyone -

You’re making this about you - it’s not you and you are dumping your own insecurities on them.

If you keep this up they will never be able to talk about issues because they would be worried about upsetting you and being punished for it in a moment of anger.

OfstedOffred · 19/03/2022 17:49

Yanbu but I think how kids behave in this type of situation starts from very young, like when kids are 2/3 years old.

If they learn that prolonged tantrums and angry responses attract attention etc, or see that how mum and dad react to stressful situations is to get very very worked up and get in a rage, then they will grow up thinking that's a normal response.

My eldest is 5, I try and encourage him to do things that will help him calm down without lashing out, if he's going a bit nuts when tired/worked up I suggest he goes to get his favourite cuddly toy, or come and get a drink/cracker and then we can talk about it. But I also make clear that chucking stuff around, slamming doors, screaming rude things etc, aren't acceptable, and if he does that, he'll need to go to his room and calm down. Anything he throws around etc will get taken away for a day or two etc. I always make it clear that I'm ready to listen if theres something bothering him, but that I can't really help him feel better if he's chucking a tantrum because it's not a good way to tell me what's wrong.

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