To seek assurances that I’ll be put on a single sex ward?

[Thoosa]

Not single gender. Single sex.

Im due for one, maybe two, surgeries this year. I’m a DV and rape survivor.

I’m nervous.

@Siepie

Why are you so keen to keep the transgender agenda going its sex offenders that is the concern here

Pointing out all the men that could be on the wards are you saying all of them staff included (who should have been dbs checked unlike patients or visitors) is that not insinuating that despite saying NAMALT you actually believe all men are potential rapists?

@Gumbomambo

I cannot believe that on a thread about rape someone has wheeled out the females do terrible things too. Aren’t the figures 98% of sexual crimes are committed by men and 90% of victims of sexual assault are women.

Yes but certain people seem desperate to prove we deserve it

@Boredoutmymind

This thread is so transphobic. Whether some one is male or female doesn't mean they are a bad person. Any one can assault anyone. If your so worried then pay for a private bed. Sex and gender are just legal terms. To all of you who are ignorant your sex/gender is determined by your brain not genitals.

many men have been assaulted by women but they don't cause a fuss and demand male only medical staff. If they did they would be told to "man up" by the majority on mumsnet.

most people who are in hospital are bed bound. If you can look after yourself the NHS will discharge you.

Do you have scientific proof that your sex is determined by your brain? No, you don’t, because that’s absolute rubbish. Your sex is determined by your chromosomes. The man who raped me hasn’t had a brain transplant to make him into a woman now. He’s still a man, he still has a penis, he just wears women’s clothes and has had breast implants. He still has a man’s XY brain. He is a massive risk to women, but now he is lauded because he wears a dress and has long hair. And now he has access to young vulnerable women who think they’re trans.

[quote Theunamedcat]@Siepie

Why are you so keen to keep the transgender agenda going its sex offenders that is the concern here

Pointing out all the men that could be on the wards are you saying all of them staff included (who should have been dbs checked unlike patients or visitors) is that not insinuating that despite saying NAMALT you actually believe all men are potential rapists?[/quote]
All men and all women are potential rapists - what’s your point?

@LightSpeeds

@NoisyPrat The tide is turning regarding men hastling women etc, we are hearing more and more about men calling men out on their poor behaviour.

This is a load of bollocks.

A lot of people are hijacking MN and every possible post with their constant anti-trans agenda and moaning.

MEN are the biggest threat to women. Just MEN plain and simple. Don't try to narrow it down by picking on a tiny, ostracised and unhappy section of society.

Yes, men are the biggest threat to women. Male violence against women and girls. No matter what the male identifies as.

It's not "anti-trans". The OP doesn't want to share a bay with any male. She's not discriminating between males who are trans and males who are not, she's treating them all the same. Anti-male/mascphobic if you like, though no decent man (or transwoman) would object to being kept out of spaces reserved for females. And there are plenty of decent transwomen around who are appalled at what is being done in their name.

Your sex is determined by your body your gender is what you want society to see you as

Thats awful, so sorry. Such selfish comments on here. No idea of the trauma women go through.

@Piper22 people aren't objecting to a minority group. They're correctly assessing the risk posed by all males, regardless of how they identify. Nearly all violent and sexual crime is committed by men. One of the simplest steps you can take to safeguard women is to provide separate facilities for them, away from males, if they are likely to be vulnerable eg asleep, incapacitated, and so on.

@Piper22

Women by law cannot rape

So why are you specifically worried about the minuscule chance that someone on your ward is transgender?

I’m not. I’m worried about any NHS policy that allows unvetted men access to female patients, including visiting policies, lax volunteer policies, or gender versus sex ward allocation policies.

My previous hideously stressful, unpleasant experience was with unlimited all night male visitors. Currently, for these upcoming operations, the possibility of wards not being single sex seems more current.

I find it abhorrent that a minority group of people are all being tarnished with the same brush as a few aberrant examples.

But we do this with men all the time. Most men aren't criminal, but we still stop them all accessing women's spaces, because of the minority who do. That's not abhorrent, that's safeguarding based on the worse case scenario. Most men are happy to not be able to access women's space for that reason, because they understand the need for it. Any men who doesn't understand this and still wants to intrude is showing male entitlement and a lack of compassion towards women.

And there are plenty of decent transwomen around who are appalled at what is being done in their name.

Yes that’s very true.

[quote Theunamedcat]@Siepie

Why are you so keen to keep the transgender agenda going its sex offenders that is the concern here

Pointing out all the men that could be on the wards are you saying all of them staff included (who should have been dbs checked unlike patients or visitors) is that not insinuating that despite saying NAMALT you actually believe all men are potential rapists?[/quote]
Men are more likely to be sex offenders than women are. I've never once denied that. But if it's sex offenders who are the concern, why is it only trans ones that posters are concerned about?

[quote Theunamedcat]@Piper22

Women by law cannot rape[/quote]
Oh that’s ok then!! Phew!

The OP doesn't want to share a bay with any male. She's not discriminating between males who are trans and males who are not, she's treating them all the same.

Also absolutely true @DdraigGoch

Thank you all of you who are being more articulate about this than I’m managing.

I’m incredulous too at the prejudice, discrimination and stigmatisation of this minority group.

Adult male human beings are not stigmatised or a minority.

As a senior nurse involved in allocating beds and moving patients to get others in this is what I suggest. Contact PALS and ask them to contact the site manager & admissions for you,. explain your request for a side room but, you will need to give a reason. I understand that will be hard but we do need a reason,, we have so many people requesting side rooms and of course, they are normally needed for infections/covid or end of life patients.

You DO have a valid reason to request one. I have to accommodate all sorts of requests you would not believe. It can be done and of course it will only be disclosed to those who have a need to know.

Good luck Op, I hope you get this resolved it's bad enough going into hospital.

Men are more likely to be sex offenders than women are. I've never once denied that. But if it's sex offenders who are the concern, why is it only trans ones that posters are concerned about?

Because they are the ones most likely to be on a so-called 'womens' ward with vulnerable women in a situation where they might be able to assault them; male-identified patients are more likely to be elsewhere.

I am sure that people also worry about assaults from other males on the ward, care providers, etc, but that's not what this particular thread was about. It may be that there is not anything the OP can do about certain threats, but it doesn't mean she can't try to reduce those that she can reduce.

Thank you @Rupertpenrysmistress

That’s helpful. This is beginning to feel more doable.

[quote RoseslnTheHospital]@Piper22 people aren't objecting to a minority group. They're correctly assessing the risk posed by all males, regardless of how they identify. Nearly all violent and sexual crime is committed by men. One of the simplest steps you can take to safeguard women is to provide separate facilities for them, away from males, if they are likely to be vulnerable eg asleep, incapacitated, and so on. [/quote]
But what has this got to do with trans people? Why are you all not all outraged about contact with any men in any healthcare (or any other) setting that case? The taxi driver that takes you to the hospital, the male porter that wheels you to the operating room, the male radiographer or sonography, the male anaesthetist, the male surgeon, the male nurses and care assistants, the male domestics, the male students, the male maintenance men, the male visitors… Because they’ve got a DBS? Give over.

@Piper22 is there a need to be so flippant about discussing rape when the OP and others on this thread have been victims of it?

Women can commit serious sexual assault which carries the same criminal sentencing guidelines as rape. However, the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of sexual crime are male. As in approx 98% of all offences. Women really do not sexually assault men or other women or children to anywhere near the same degree as males.

[quote Piper22]@DdraigGoch it’s in no way unusual for a man, or team of men, to be in charge of a women’s ward. It used to happen regularly at my last place of work, though admittedly that was within women’s mental health services. At least two nights out of the week would see the acute ward run in the absence of any female staff. Please don’t be fooled that predatory male healthcare workers are deterred by the risk of losing their job. I have worked alongside three men who have sexually assaulted their female patients, two of whom are currently serving prison sentences.[/quote]
Oh well that's all right then. Men are going to abuse women anyway, let's just remove the remaining safeguards and let them get on with it...

Only 10% of registered nurses are male, so yes having a male member of staff alone with female patients is statistically an unusual occurence.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I’m incredulous too at the prejudice, discrimination and stigmatisation of this minority group.

Adult male human beings are not stigmatised or a minority.

Black adult males are. Gay adult males are. Muslim adult males are. Trans adults males are.

@Piper22 transwomen don't stop being male just because of how the identify. Being male is in fact a necessary condition to be a transwoman.

I can't believe you are seriously comparing the risk of being in public places whilst well and not incapacitated/asleep with being in a hospital ward overnight.

Men are more likely to be sex offenders than women are. I've never once denied that. But if it's sex offenders who are the concern, why is it only trans ones that posters are concerned about?

Because a particular subset of males is being made exempt from basic safeguarding rules.

1. Previous studies have suggested 10% of males are responsible for most acts of sexual violence. If this is a trend that is typical of various subsets, then 10% of male transitioners will be responsible for most acts of sexual violence committed by transitioners. And this subset is being given free rein to go where they like.

2. when any subset of males is treated as too pure and kind to commit rape, rapists promptly start on being counted amongst that subset. Because rapists aren't stupid.