Harry suing the home office

[TooEarlyForMe]

Does he realise where the money they would have to pay him if he was successful in suing, would come from?

The British public

Thanks Harry.

Is Prince Andrew still getting protection?
His daughters don't, do they? Wasn't that part of his argument when Harry wanted it?

I believe only a few royals get full time protection (the queen, Charles + camilla, and the cambridges). However obviously the others get a degree of security due to where they live. I think Beatrice and Eugenie live within royal residences (St James’ palace for one and within the Frogmore cottage for the other). As does Andrew.

And any of the royals carrying out official engagements will have security with them for that.

Harry opted out of that life but he is still a massive terrorism target, and even more so at the moment. He didn't choose to be born and he didn't choose to be put at constant risk by his parents and grandparents

I agree with this. We (as in the British) hold onto the hereditary monarchy and I think we have a moral responsibility to protect those made vulnerable by being born into the Monarchy. His Mum died because of the risks being in the monarchy created. You can see his concern, its deeply personal and based in childhood trauma.

If we don't want to pay for those put at risk by being born into the monarchy, we need to get rid of the monarchy so that we don't have to pay for those born into it in future. But whilst we have it we can't moan about the costs it creates by protecting those put at risk.

Isnt his argument that you cant buy private armed security in the UK?

Do you seriously think that the security companies operating in the UK are unarmed???

@cherrycokr it's a bit bonkers he still gets the protection of a senior royal without doing any of his royal responsibilities isn't it

@EmpressCixi

If his offer of payment had been accepted it would open the floodgates for all VIPs, foreign and domestic, to have the right to "buy" our police protection squads. Yea, no thank you.

Didn’t we pay for Justin Trudeau’s security recently? And Trump when he visited? In my opinion it would be better to provide the security but for the VIP or their tax payers to fund it instead of us.

We paid for these because they're head of states. We paid for Xi Jinping, who's pretty gross, and we'd pay for Putin if he stays President. And if our Head of States go to their countries, they pay to protect them. But a private individual can't put in an order for 7 Protection Officers for example. Or demand to have all intel relevant to them. Putin can't come to the UK and demand all the Intel we have on him!

Although maybe our courts will say they can. Who knows?

@girlmom21 that & the all round shadiness. But not many seem to mind!

I heard that Andrews protection has ceased since he is no longer officially a member of the RF. Everyone else not in direct line to the throne has security only when they are on official Royal Duty x

@Georgeskitchen

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/17339945/prince-andrew-harry-security-bodyguard-royal/amp/

I think he should just call their bluff. Get on a plane, and go strolling around Covent Garden sprinkling their charm all over the public. I bet Charles and Her Maj would blink first and send a crew over pretty quickly.

Princess Anne doesn't get it and she literally had to fight off a kidnapper.

@JudgeJ

Isnt his argument that you cant buy private armed security in the UK?

Do you seriously think that the security companies operating in the UK are unarmed???

You can’t hire bodyguards with guns in the UK.

There are numerous women in the UK right now who have left violent partners, have had threats made against then and are in justifiable fear for their lives. Very few of them (with the odd exception like Princess Haya) are in the position of being able to pay for security.

None of them asked to be put in this situation. Where is the 24 hour armed police protection for them?

Nobody is saying he can’t have any protection just that the police will decide if the threat level and act accordingly , as they do for every high profile individual . After all Salmam Rushdie had police protection for years and I have a friend whose father was the subject of a credible threat and he had protection for several years . Just that he doesn’t get to decide and also the police won’t share ingii or Rangoon with private security and he can’t pay for the police and choose the shots that way.

Of course he would be protected if he came here , can you imagine the outcry if something happened to them .

@ForTheLoveOfSleep

* He didn't have a choice about being born into a high-profile family who are undeniable targets for terrorism etc. He has made a choice to reduce his involvement with the "work" of that family, but he doesnt have a choice to take the target off his back (and the same applies to his wife and children).*

Yeah. He could just live quietly and fade into the background like they wanted.... But low and behold the $$$$ Spotify, Oprah, Netflix etc proved too difficult to resist 🙄 So why not hit the Home Office up for some spare change too.

Exactly this.

They don't want a quiet life. A "normal" life.

They still want to be famous, rich and influential.

Having said that, I can see he's now stuck between a rock and a hard place. He's willing to pay for the security but can't. And we won't allow other forms of armed security. So essentially he can't come to the UK anymore.

It's difficult. On the one hand I admire him, on the other I feel he's quite ungrateful for all of the privilege he's had his whole life (and still has).

Beatrice and Eugenie had their protection taken away in their early 20s when they were 5th and 6th in line to the throne as it was deemed there wasn't sufficient security risk to justify it.

Harry has actually been given a special 'case-by-case' status by the home office which means they will look at each visit on its own merits and the current security risks - if intelligence says the risk is high they will provide the armed protection officers. That's why he got them when he came back for Philip's funeral but not when he came back for the Diana statue unveiling.

So with the case-by-case situation plus the option of hiring excellent private security for the rest of the time he wants to visit the UK, plus the fact that on any royal property he is automatically covered - he does not need to sue the government for the sake of UK trips.

What he wants is his internationally protected person status back - that means that other governments will also provide special armed security wherever he travels as part of the recipricol agreement we have with other countries.

It's why Canada was paying for their security when they were there at the end of 2019. It means they would be able to have free security on any travels rather than having to pay for it themselves as they do now.

I think the only royals who have 24 hr police protection are the Queen Charles William and their spouses / kids etc
The rest only have police protection when they’re ‘on duty’ as it were
He’s not ‘on duty’ since he resigned so if he kept out of the limelight he’d likely be fine - same as the rest of his family who don’t have protection

Besides wasn’t Harry recently at an outdoor even in Texas - where it’s legal to openly carry a gun
Surely that’s way more dangerous than being in London where significantly fewer guns are on the street

@Nightlystroll

Although maybe our courts will say they can. Who knows?

The court isn't looking at that.

If the judicial review is granted, it will be to examine if RAVEC the correct body to make the decisions and has an appropriate membership and can/does call on experts when required, that it receives the information it needs to carry out its functions, that it carries out its functions in a reasonable fashion .

What it won't do is re-make the RAVEC decision. If it finds RAVEC is not competent, then there will need to be a successor body whose new composition/working practices meet the concerns/standards of the judicial review, and which will re-consider all decisions made during the time its predecessor was acting inadequately.

That does not mean that Harry gets what he's asking for, it means the new and competent body gets to review the evidence and decide.

“ He didn't have a choice about being born into a high-profile family who are undeniable targets for terrorism etc. ”
No one has a choice which family they are born into - he’s hardly unique in that.

Beatrice and Eugenie had their protection taken away in their early 20s when they were 5th and 6th in line to the throne as it was deemed there wasn't sufficient security risk to justify it.

No they still have private security, who do you think is funding it?

He chose to move away, he no longer "works" for the British people, no longer does official duties so no longer has royal protection officers.

Prince Charles reportedly offered to let them stay with him and thus protected by his team for the jubilee and whenever they are in the U.K. but apparently that's not good enough for them. Zara Tindall etc do not get funded security either it's not unprecedented.

What efforts has he taken to reduce his public profile?

Appearing so publically on US TV?

Thanks to Meghan he has not been able to disappear.

I would suggest that he has been the one resonsible for his own heightened public image.

Look at other senior royals- when did you last hear a peep about Edward, or Anne. THey are happy to be forgotten by the media.
Not Harry.