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Harry suing the home office

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TooEarlyForMe · 18/03/2022 15:11

Does he realise where the money they would have to pay him if he was successful in suing, would come from?

The British public

Thanks Harry.

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ajandjjmum · 24/03/2022 19:48

@pleasehelpwi3 A pp had commented that Prince Edward's kids get protection and I said they don't. The Sun link you posted did not relate to that at all - it was commenting on Prince Edward himself using a plane rather than a train. Different thing entirely.

pleasehelpwi3 · 24/03/2022 20:54

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maeveiscurious · 24/03/2022 20:58

@pleasehelpwi3 careful, your real unpleasantness is showing

pleasehelpwi3 · 24/03/2022 21:00

[quote maeveiscurious]@pleasehelpwi3 careful, your real unpleasantness is showing [/quote]
You mean you disagree with my opinions?
Doesn't make me unpleasant.....

Xenia · 24/03/2022 22:37

Before judgments are issued lawyers see a draft to check for typos etc and must never disclose them as they are not yet official/not yet handed down by the judget but Prince Harry's team seem not to have followed that rule.

"After the judgment was made public, Mr Justice Swift criticised Prince Harry's legal team for breaking the embargo on the document.

Mr Justice Swift said a copy of Thursday's ruling had been emailed to someone who was not a lawyer, against court rules, calling this "entirely unacceptable". "

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10647363/Documents-Prince-Harrys-case-against-Home-Office-remain-secret.html

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/03/2022 22:41

I've just seen the chambers website for Harry's barrister, and among other purple prose it says she's "incredibly clever, with a mind like a razor blade" and "already earmarked as Supreme Court judge material"

A little odd, perhaps, for someone quite that clever to claim she "didn't know", but looking on the bright side at least it's not Harry who's getting the flak for speaking out of turn this time

www.blackstonechambers.com/barristers/shaheed-fatima-qc/

Xenia · 24/03/2022 22:50

To be fair to the lawyers I have also found the rules not 100% clear in the past eg the barrister can hand it to the solicitors too to check. and to "the parties" which in my view includes the client. Whenever I have handed it on to the parties (my client) I give them all kinds of instructions as they otherwise want to start telling the world and his wife they won. Instead they must tell no one. If the client is a company the company can distribute it in confidence within the company. Some companies have 10,000 staff. It is not always really simple as to who can see it.

"2.3 The court will provide a copy of the draft judgment to the parties’ legal representatives by 4 p.m. on the second working day before handing down, or at such other time as the court may direct.
2.4 A copy of the draft judgment may be supplied, in confidence, to the parties provided that –

(a) neither the draft judgment nor its substance is disclosed to any other person or used in the public domain; and

(b) no action is taken (other than internally) in response to the draft judgment, before the judgment is handed down.
2.5 Where a copy of the draft judgment is supplied to a party’s legal representatives in electronic form, they may supply a copy to that party in the same form.
2.6 If a party to whom a copy of the draft judgment is supplied under paragraph 2.4 is a partnership, company, government department, local authority or other organisation of a similar nature, additional copies may be distributed in confidence within the organisation, provided that all reasonable steps are taken to preserve its confidential nature and the requirements of paragraph 2.4 are adhered to.
2.7 If the parties or their legal representatives are in any doubt about the persons to whom copies of the draft judgment may be distributed they should enquire of the judge or Presiding Judge.
2.8 Any breach of the obligations or restrictions under paragraph 2.4 or failure to take all reasonable steps under paragraph 2.6 may be treated as contempt of court."

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/03/2022 22:56

To be fair to the lawyers I have also found the rules not 100% clear in the past

That sounds fair enough, Xenia, but with such a high profile client surely anyone with sense would check rather than (reportedly) say they "Didn't fully think"?

StormzyinaTCup · 24/03/2022 23:28

Interesting Xenia
However, I'm still a bit Confused, especially having read her credentials as linked by Puzzled.

Assuming she wasn't sure if it constituted a breach (which I do find hard to believe) surely, and especially in such a high profile case, you err on the side of caution and don't press 'send'.

tattychicken · 25/03/2022 13:01

Was the "someone" the email was sent to Omid Scobie I wonder? 🤔

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/03/2022 14:21

I doubt it, tattychicken ... I can't quite see that even a barrister who "didn't fully think" would be that stupid

Xenia · 25/03/2022 19:13

I think the judge referred to some notice at the top of his draft judgment which I have not seen so I suppose it might be clearer than the rules I quoted. If you can give the draft to the solicitor instructing the barrister and to the client company the issue might be how many employees within that client company can get the draft. It may depend what is written on the draft judgment by the judge I suppose and not just the relevant rules.

AnastasiaRomanov · 26/03/2022 06:42

@tattychicken

Was the "someone" the email was sent to Omid Scobie I wonder? 🤔
Wouldn’t be surprised.
tattychicken · 26/03/2022 08:26

Yes I realise that would be breathtakingly stupid but it did cross my mind...

longwayoff · 02/04/2022 21:14

Will he be safer in Amsterdam at Invictus than he would be here? I don't follow the reasoning.

mpsw · 03/04/2022 08:00

@longwayoff

Will he be safer in Amsterdam at Invictus than he would be here? I don't follow the reasoning.
The reason which would make sense is that Harry is aware of a specific threat (not just 'feeling unsafe') that is geographically limited to UK, and that he believes that the committee are either unaware of it or have failed to give it proper weight, or that the committee is not competent by means of its composition or procedures. That would account for both the court case and why destinations other than UK are at a different threat level.

Of course in turn that means that thevDuke will need to demonstrate that the threat is continuing, and that his evidence on it is reasonable and well-sourced as well as still timely.

Morestrangethings · 21/02/2023 09:14

Billandben444 · 18/03/2022 15:27

George has been born into a life that in other contexts might be called modern slavery
Well, that's worth a belly laugh 😂

I don’t equate it with modern slavery no. There is slavery today, but it’s far from that.

As you said though, ‘other contexts’. I do think he’s been born to a life I wouldn’t want for my children. However, he has free choice and can abdicate. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be a hard thing for him to do but he can if he chooses. Although it would be a hard thing to go against every thing you’ve been taught about duty etc..

At any rate, I hope he is encouraged to have a career of some type. Not one built completely around the anticipation of being king one day. I think those 3 kids all need that. As did Harry and William imo.

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