House guest sneakily adding your wifi to their phone is rude yes?

[HDDD]

I mean, I don't mind any guest accessing my wifi BUT at least ask right?

@Floofsquidge

Follow up as *@FantasticFebruary* asked - couple of reasons for a start: for routers that come with the access details stamped on the side, one batch can have identical or sequential info (making it easy for hackers there), and you may have no idea who has had visibility of that info before dispatch.

@Floofsquidge Thank you for your post too!

Just find the card and enter the deet, simple. I think ruder to ask, tbh. Basically implies you'd rather be on internet all evening than enjoying time with your host!
And yes, sad if people can't cope a few hours offline enjoying real life convo with their mates.

@FantasticFebruary

This should cover BT, Virgin & Sky computing.which.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/207057535-How-to-change-your-wireless-router-password

Others should say on their website somewhere.

Why on earth would anyone have an unprotected wifi network????

I don’t see how this can happen because they must have asked you for the password?

@Donra

I don’t see how this can happen because they must have asked you for the password?

The password is on the router in most houses. It’s very easy to find it.

The password is on the router in most houses
It never crossed my mind that anyone was stupid enough to leave the password as the default. If you haven’t changed the router password to something more secure then you deserve everything you get!

@Parpophone

House guest sneakily adding your wifi to their phone is rude yes?

@HDDD

Starting a thread on MN with almost no detail and then not coming back to engage with anyone on the thread is rude yes?

Maybe I'm aghast that a grown adult can't live for an evening without their phone, and maybe have I don't know, a conversation.

If your real-life conversation skills are anything like those demonstrated on this thread then it's hardly surprising yes?

Maybe the guest has taken OPs wifi home with them

All true

@Donra

The password is on the router in most houses It never crossed my mind that anyone was stupid enough to leave the password as the default. If you haven’t changed the router password to something more secure then you deserve everything you get!

Huh? I’ve had wifi for 15 years and have never changed the password from the default. I’ve stayed at many dozens of houses and the password has always been the one on the router. That’s why so many have a removable card with the password so you can copy it easily. I don’t think many people change it.

I don’t think many people change it
People with even a teaspoon of knowledge about computer security always change it.

@Donra

I don’t think many people change it People with even a teaspoon of knowledge about computer security always change it.

Honestly why bother? My wifi password is significantly harder to guess than any password I use (as I need to remember them). I mean maybe some people do change it but I reckon most don’t just from my experience.

@Donra

I don’t think many people change it People with even a teaspoon of knowledge about computer security always change it.

I must have less than a teaspoon of knowledge then. What's the risk with it exactly? Someone in the internet company spying on you?

@Donra

I don’t think many people change it People with even a teaspoon of knowledge about computer security always change it.

They really don't.

"Maybe I'm aghast that a grown adult can't live for an evening without their phone, and maybe have I don't know, a conversation."

This is completely unrelated to logging onto the Wifi. It's like saying just because they help themselves to a glass of water, they won't appreciate your fine wine.

I get the feeling you went into this looking to nit pick.

What's the risk with it exactly? Someone in the internet company spying on you?
Anyone who gets onto your wifi network can (if they know how) access every other device on the network. They can intercept your data, access your computer files, use your network for nefarious purposes, or even lock you out of it completely. Hackers have lists of standard manufacturers passwords that they use to brute force access to router networks, or if they can gain access to your home they can simply read it off the router. Changing the default password prevents both of these strategies.

@Donra

The password is on the router in most houses It never crossed my mind that anyone was stupid enough to leave the password as the default. If you haven’t changed the router password to something more secure then you deserve everything you get!

Oh shove off

[quote EverNapping]@FantasticFebruary

This should cover BT, Virgin & Sky computing.which.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/207057535-How-to-change-your-wireless-router-password

Others should say on their website somewhere.[/quote]
@EverNapping

Thank you 🌷

This should cover BT, Virgin & Sky computing.which.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/207057535-How-to-change-your-wireless-router-password

Thanks for this. I've had a look and was lost at no.1

I'm in the 'I don't know how it works but it does what I want it to' technical camp.

@downbythewoods

"Maybe I'm aghast that a grown adult can't live for an evening without their phone, and maybe have I don't know, a conversation."

This is completely unrelated to logging onto the Wifi. It's like saying just because they help themselves to a glass of water, they won't appreciate your fine wine.

I get the feeling you went into this looking to nit pick.

Op obviously judges phone usage

Hence the guest feeling like they had to “sneakily” get.

Good on them

Crystalvas

If your paying for something think its polite if a guest asks to use it.“

So before you flush the loo, have a glass of water, take a shower/bath, turn the radiator up a notch when it gets cold, switch on the radio or tv in the bedroom?
Really?

@MrsSkylerWhite

Crystalvas

If your paying for something think its polite if a guest asks to use it.“

So before you flush the loo, have a glass of water, take a shower/bath, turn the radiator up a notch when it gets cold, switch on the radio or tv in the bedroom?
Really?

And constantly thanking the host if they have the heating on

@Donra

The password is on the router in most houses It never crossed my mind that anyone was stupid enough to leave the password as the default. If you haven’t changed the router password to something more secure then you deserve everything you get!

Not sure who's going to guess my password. You'd be right if it was "password" but it isn't - we have two internet connections and both are unguessable.

If someone wants to come and sit outside my house and do a brute force attack, they'll manage it whether or not I change the passwords for the routers.

I don't have smart products so nobody is going to hack my fridge or hive/nest anyway.

As a guest I would ask was it ok to put the kettle on, have a shower etc if I was only staying overnight and they hadn't been offered (not if I'd been there several days) and I would certainly ask was it ok to use the WiFi

However as a host I'd make sure I had told any guests to use the kettle/shower etc as they please and offered the WiFi code.

So maybe a bit of both from me

@Donra

What's the risk with it exactly? Someone in the internet company spying on you? Anyone who gets onto your wifi network can (if they know how) access every other device on the network. They can intercept your data, access your computer files, use your network for nefarious purposes, or even lock you out of it completely. Hackers have lists of standard manufacturers passwords that they use to brute force access to router networks, or if they can gain access to your home they can simply read it off the router. Changing the default password prevents both of these strategies.

But we aren’t talking about hackers. These are friends who you have invited round to your house.

@Donra

What's the risk with it exactly? Someone in the internet company spying on you? Anyone who gets onto your wifi network can (if they know how) access every other device on the network. They can intercept your data, access your computer files, use your network for nefarious purposes, or even lock you out of it completely. Hackers have lists of standard manufacturers passwords that they use to brute force access to router networks, or if they can gain access to your home they can simply read it off the router. Changing the default password prevents both of these strategies.

But to do this, a hacker with a list of standard manufacturer passwords would have to sit outside my house on a laptop. I live in a small village in the middle of nowhere. Chances seem pretty low to non-existent.