To be so angry with our government treatment of refugees.

[Kendodd]

First Syria
Then Afganistan
Now Ukraine
They see a crisis and put every barrier they can get away with to keep people out.
The first two they pretended 'ooh security ' so many young men, they're all Islamist terrorists.
Well what's their excuse now? This lot are all women and children.
I suspect the truth is this plays well with their bluekip 'they're not coming here' base, that's why they do it.
I'm not even going to bother writing to my Leave supporting Tory MP about this one. No fucking point. I'll just get the Tory HQ lies back about how we're doing more than any other country for refugees (actually heard Johnson say that on the radio yesterday).
I'm ashamed to be British.

RoastedFerret
Quite what racism in the workplace in Ireland has to do with the UKs treatment of Ukrainian refugees

Relevant to comments such as;

There is a completely different culture in ireland. The suspicion of people from other countries that you have in Britain doesn't get much traction here...

Actually only a few eu countries ( neither ireland or uk) feature in top 10 for most refugees/ asylum seekers

And thats i believe based also on population, a quick google shows you which countries take in more

YANBU our government have always took the tactic of strategic incompetence and then lying about everything and pretending that we are 'leading the way' without any evidence whatsoever. We have to hold them to account, also not forget recent misdemeanors because of the war too.

I do wonder if this war would never have happened if we had credible UK and US leaders in the last 5 years and a more unified Europe. COVID has divided and demoralised people too. I think Putin looked at geopolitics worldwide and thought he was in a strong position and would not have much resistance. In a way, I blame our own weak, corrupt leader for this. At least Zelenskiy is showing the world how to lead and reminding world leaders that their job is to actually serve us and not themselves and their friends.

The least we can do is help displaced refugees. To those people who moan we do not have resources, how about we tax the large corporations who evade tax to raise the funds? I'm sure other countries have similar domestic issues to ours, but are still taking in more than 300 refugees. That just makes me think our economy is in a much worse state than our government is letting on.

@forcedfun

It is so awful. I have a relative waiting for a visa. The way the refugees are being treated is shameful. They will be waiting weeks, at best, even if they have a family member in the UK. I feel very ashamed to be British

It does seem like it is going to be weeks. Mine are waiting since Friday. I am ready to do anything, if the British government is afraid that they will become a burden on the state, happy to pledge my house and all my lifetime savings and pension as a bond. I feel so helpless now.

@worriedatthistime
You may not have voted out because of racism but it’s shocked me how many people voted out for that exact reason

Anyway the fact remains this government are doing what they were voted in to do
Keep people out by either not letting them in or making it too unpleasant for them to stay.

People need to own it.

I don't think anyone in Britain (especially someone like a previous poster who must spend all day botting on the internet for her overlords in the Tory Party) should criticise ROI for anything.

You only have to look at the history of Britain's treatment of the Irish over many centuries to realise pot calls kettle black.

When the lack of sanctuary for war victims by Britain is turned into a criticism of those countries who are making it easy, well there is no defence for it. Everyone knows this apart from those trying to defend the indefensible.

Fool me once....

@worriedatthistime yes sorry that wasn't clear was it! A relative from Ukraine in Poland awaiting a visa and being told they will be waiting weeks

The government have had months to put a plan in place. They knew something like this might happen. We now have senior MPs calling out the Home Secretary for lying in the House of Commons about visa centres and a Foreign secretary who is telling lies in parliamentary committees and appears to lack even the basics of her brief.
They are incompetent and despicable.

Don't let Clavinova derail this thread onto an anti Irish theme. She is a proud supporter of this government and has a great love of derailing other anti government threads. Its a sort of theme. You might say she was world beating at it. We have met on other threads.

It’s unbelievable that people are defending a system with so much red tape that to date only 300 visas have been issued. I’m angry too @Kendodd and bloody ashamed to be British.

@SuitcaseOfWhine its not 300 though is it, many have applied apparently what as need to do is speed up the visa process but then it can take 5 months to get a uk driving licence here

@Clavinova

RoastedFerret Quite what racism in the workplace in Ireland has to do with the UKs treatment of Ukrainian refugees

Relevant to comments such as;

There is a completely different culture in ireland. The suspicion of people from other countries that you have in Britain doesn't get much traction here...

If I was a betting woman I would actually say that most of the racism in Irish society is directed at people that come from Ireland not to people from other countries, although of course there is some racism towards people that do come from other countries.

In usual cases Ireland takes in 2% of the refugees that go to the EU these quotas are set by the EU.

Not so good in 2016 -

For a country that once boasted the '100,000 welcomes' to visitors, Ireland has become the least welcoming country in western Europe for refugees.

Latest figures from the EU agency, Eurostat, shows Ireland at the bottom of the league for accepting refugees.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-refuses-asylum-to-90pc-of-applicants-35229842.html

@Heatherjayne1972 but why then do we not allow people from africa to come over easily and only when we were in the eu , European people could that not be seen as racist
Personally i agree in allowing people in based on need be that need for the country jobs or refugees and where they originate from shouldn't matter

[quote Clavinova]In usual cases Ireland takes in 2% of the refugees that go to the EU these quotas are set by the EU.

Not so good in 2016 -

For a country that once boasted the '100,000 welcomes' to visitors, Ireland has become the least welcoming country in western Europe for refugees.

Latest figures from the EU agency, Eurostat, shows Ireland at the bottom of the league for accepting refugees.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-refuses-asylum-to-90pc-of-applicants-35229842.html[/quote]
Well hopefully that is changing. Look Ireland isn't perfect but I do think this time around they are trying. I would have been out of here years ago if my dh would have agreed to moving, Ireland is not utopia and has many, many problems, no argument from me.

Back to the topic of this thread though, is the UK trying this time around? It doesn't look like it to me but of course, you can have a different opinion.

Deal with your own Government's failings before diverting attention elsewhere my dear cut and paste bot above.

Must be so humiliating to be part of a cabal that thinks all this is OK, and criticising Ireland is the way to fight back. Honestly is that all you can do? Come on...

The uk goverment will do a u turn on this
Despite what people on here think many british people are asking the goverment to do more and including some of its own MP's
They have u turned on most things lately

@bossox but then maybe people should realise that many goverments have failings and some posters implied every british person should be ashamed imagine inserting another country into that

@RoastedFerret i bet by monday the uk govermen do a u turn due to the uk public preSsure

is the UK trying this time around? It doesn't look like it to me but of course, you can have a different opinion.

Yesterday's tweets from the Embassy of Ukraine to the UK would indicate that we are trying.

@forcedfun I hope it gets sorted sooner , I do believe we will see a u turn on this , lots of public pressure

[quote worriedatthistime]@bossox but then maybe people should realise that many goverments have failings and some posters implied every british person should be ashamed imagine inserting another country into that[/quote]
But other governments can be voted out via their representative voting systems. Seems to me that Britain's FPTP system ensures a long long tenure for any party with a decent majority, it just takes one vote to do it.

That is not democracy IMV. So there is no solution especially now with the minimum term thing also. They can do what they like, and they are.

@bossox not at all and we had the option for another voting system
Many countries opt for voting systems where basically each vote doesn't count
Lack of credible opposition is the issue
Also the goverment regularly do u turn and we each can email our mp
In the same party not all will agree with everything and even as a voter you may agree with some things as opposed to another
In a small country with a very high population it will never be perfect like in many countries

@bossox i would be in favour of no. Of mps per vote though, i haven't bothered to vote last time because my vote won't make any difference in the area I am in
But do any countries offer this way of voting ?

@bossox i guess we will also see if they do a u turn that will be down to public pressure so it shows it not all done and dusted and why we have local mp's to also speak up on our behalf ( some are better than others of course )