To feel distressed and heartbroken re Ukraine’s increasingly desperate pleas for help?

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You can hear the desperation in their president’s (and former presidents) voices now. They are BEGGING for physical help. Begging for a no-fly zone to be implemented.

I KNOW we can’t do anything as it’ll cause WW3, but tonight, listening to a former presidents and the current presidents desperate pleas is actually quite distressing. Heartbreaking. Those poor people being left to their fate with the Russians

Agree totally.

@uneven can you hear yourself? Despite what you read in the gutter press, Britain has welcomed many nationalities. My family were from Spain, they fled a dictator.

It's just sickening. The worst.

DH had football on earlier. Before they started they did a minutes clap for Ukraine ....then they did the 'taking the knee'. I just thought fucksake is that it. We don't seem to actually help....just fucking clap and then acknowledge another crisis.

NHS struggling..... clap
Ukraine being blown up.....clap....yeah that'll sort it. FFS. Just eases conscionces.

I don't what to do, but I'm sure as a country we can do more!

@colouringindoors

It's horrific.

I've just seen a photo taken by A New York Times journalist of a family, two parents, two children, murdered by a Russian shell as they fled their hometown.

Obviously no one here cares as long as their own families are safe.

Everyone on this thread needs to understand that the dead children that we see lying in the street on the news every night are NOT less important than your children. Their parents didn't love them any less, they are no less worthy of protecting than your own children.

@GatoradeMeBitch

I have thought that , but when one looks at some of the cruel SS guards in Nazi Germany and Poland, some of the very worst were women.

Living in a male controlled society, doing masculine jobs, of course they wanted to show they could out-evil the boys. Like thinking a female PM would be lovely and then we get one who helped attack the Falklands and wouldn't let any other woman anywhere near her cabinet.

What the commenter said was if the pattern was feminine instead of masculine would things be different? Yes. In the very few places in the world that have a matriarchy instead of a patriarchy they are apparently very harmonious and relatively peaceful places to live.

@GatoradeMeBitch I’m not sure your grasp of the Falklands War is terribly good. Maybe you should do some reading

The 10 o’clock news tonight was heart wrenching

How the fuck did we get to this point

@StepAwayFromGoogling

Everyone on this thread needs to understand that the dead children that we see lying in the street on the news every night are NOT less important than your children. Their parents didn't love them any less, they are no less worthy of protecting than your own children.

yes we know that?

Everyone on this thread needs to understand that the dead children that we see lying in the street on the news every night are NOT less important than your children. Their parents didn't love them any less, they are no less worthy of protecting than your own children.

Hear hear!!

Those wanting to protect their own children, of course that’s natural but take your head out of your arse! If the Uk doesn’t join in and help as much as possible, Putin will never stop!

@GatoradeMeBitch

I have thought that , but when one looks at some of the cruel SS guards in Nazi Germany and Poland, some of the very worst were women.

Living in a male controlled society, doing masculine jobs, of course they wanted to show they could out-evil the boys. Like thinking a female PM would be lovely and then we get one who helped attack the Falklands and wouldn't let any other woman anywhere near her cabinet.

What the commenter said was if the pattern was feminine instead of masculine would things be different? Yes. In the very few places in the world that have a matriarchy instead of a patriarchy they are apparently very harmonious and relatively peaceful places to live.

Though, if Angela Merkel hadn’t actively chosen to make Germany dependant on Russian gas one could argue that the economic sanctions could be far tougher now. Even Trump, the biggest lunatic to run a country (until, Putin…) told her she was mad to rely on Russian gas. But, it kept the green lobby happy and reduced Germany’s reliance on coal. Germans buying gas continues to give Russia liquidity that they wouldn’t otherwise have…. So, its not that clear cut. This is an opportunity for Europe to unite, share their power across the continent, and the pain of outages, and not let Germany buy Russian gas. But, when it come to actually doing useful stuff Europe (as in the EU) is disastrously slow.

The Russian mentality is odd about some things. It’s all about the collective, the individual doesn’t matter, never really has. They have lived under dictatorships for centuries.
One of the panel on Question Time said that you only have to look at the way the Russian government mark their war dead soldiers, all dumped in mass graves. The individual means nothing.
Friends of my parents were rabid commies, all comrade and Lenin until they visited Russia in the 1960... they came back completely disillusioned and very soon distanced themselves from their past beliefs.
What happening now has been coming since that bastard Putin got in power and I don’t know the answers, but hope someone does.

I feel for you so much. Please try to retreat from the madness of social media. The horrible facts are that a lot of our leaders have known we were all under Russian influence for a long time, Brexit was entirely about this and I think Putin has Boris in his grip. Ironically it is greedy capitalists who have helped to bring this situation about. It is a two way relationship though, so I think we will come out of this ok. But promise me that when your child is born: hopefully strong and innocent and unworried, encourage them as they grow up, to question politics and to read and to think about right and wrong and how we tell the difference. Please stay strong and feel safe. X

You might know that, @TellMeMoreHellebore but a shit load of people on here don't seem to.

@LizzieSiddal just the UK? us alone?

@uneven which country are you posting from?

I'm not saying I have any answers, but if people think Putin's happy to take Ukraine, then tootle off leaving everyone else alone, then they're deluded.

Where will he stop? Who the fuck knows.

@StepAwayFromGoogling

Everyone on this thread needs to understand that the dead children that we see lying in the street on the news every night are NOT less important than your children. Their parents didn't love them any less, they are no less worthy of protecting than your own children.

Nobody is saying this? What people are saying is that if WW3 breaks out {No Fly Zone} there will be millions more killed. It's a ghastly situation , and could indeed happen to us if things escalate. Truly lucky are those in NZ or Australia, far, far away from European madness.

Soy shush now @uneven. I don’t know which magical and perfect country you come from, but ordinary Britons are doing what they can by donating items, money and time to try to help Ukrainians. The generosity of the ordinary public is absolutely amazing so knock it off with the “all Britons are heartless” stance, it makes you sounds thick as shit.

There is a solution. Let him take Ukraine without further fighting on the understanding of two things,

Those who don't want to live under his rule are allowed a safe exit.

Any 'western' country is allowed to join NATO asap so they have that protection going forward.

[quote TellMeMoreHellebore]@uneven which country are you posting from?[/quote]
Good question. I am wary of anyone who makes the current horrible situation entirely about the awfulness of Britain, because it really isn't.

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Intervene and it may end up WWIII

Don't intervene and he may be encouraged to go further as he believed no one will risk doing anything.

@oakleaffy - there's been plently of posters saying - and I paraphrase - 'we shouldn't do anything to escalate the situation that might put MY children in danger' as though that's OK. I can only assume that those posters didn't watch the news tonight and see the dead children lying in the street. Or the fathers having to say goodbye to their families as they put them on trains to safety. Or all the fear and the crying and the fucking death. But, yeah, as long as your kids are OK. Fucking hell. You have to be an arsehole to write something like that.

TellMeMoreHellebore

@LizzieSiddal just the UK? us alone?

Of course not, which is why I said the UK much “join in”.

@LizzieMacQueen

There is a solution. Let him take Ukraine without further fighting on the understanding of two things,

Those who don't want to live under his rule are allowed a safe exit.

Any 'western' country is allowed to join NATO asap so they have that protection going forward.

People will argue with the logic of this and say ''But Putin will take Paris next''.