To feel distressed and heartbroken re Ukraine’s increasingly desperate pleas for help?

[UltraLightfly]

You can hear the desperation in their president’s (and former presidents) voices now. They are BEGGING for physical help. Begging for a no-fly zone to be implemented.

I KNOW we can’t do anything as it’ll cause WW3, but tonight, listening to a former presidents and the current presidents desperate pleas is actually quite distressing. Heartbreaking. Those poor people being left to their fate with the Russians

@olaamigo

What is a no fly zone and how would it help please?

A no fly zone means no aircraft can fly over Ukraine. It has to be militarily enforced as Putin will not abide by any rules to be nice.

If there was a no fly zone and Russian aircraft flew over Ukraine they would have to be shot down. A NATO aircraft shooting at a Russian aircraft would be an act of war.

We would then be at war with Russia - almost certainly nuclear war - that means we’re all dead

@userxx

So we have to stand by and watch. How can this be happening in 2022.

Because humans. Mostly men. Some of them love war. I don’t think that will change.

Isn't it absolutely crazy, and utterly terrifying, that the entire world is scared shitless of one crazy little Russian. 😩😩 so much power.

Yes, it’s distressing, but Johnson, Biden & Macron are absolutely correct. The first time NATO forces shot down a Russian military aircraft would mark the start of the Third World War. Sometimes, the lesse of two evils is the best you can do. 😢

Agree with this OP. It doesn't feel enough just to sit back and send in donations. I think Putin is going more crazy rapidly like today saying that the sanctions are an act of war. If he's going to be like this surely he's just holding his nuclear threat over us and get worse and worse I wish we could step in and do the no fly zone at least. Also UK should be taking in refugees we've only agreed to 50 people so far -that's rubbish.

He is exactly the same as any abuser, he makes us think we have to stand in silence while he conducts warfare illegally. He's bombing Ukraine while people debate whether it's war or not. What is the legitimate military objective? Where is the proportionality, distinction, humanity?

Putin WILL fly through a no fly zone, just as he's shooting civilians in 'safe corridors'. He can't be trusted.

I’m pregnant and feel so fucking stressed

There's nothing you personally can do. Bear in mind there will be many people with lots more knowledge and experience trying to put an end to the war. So if you can, take time to try to relax and look after yourself.

@LittleBearPad thanks for that. I wasn't sure what it would be that would make sure he didn't just let planes go in anyway but obviously then being shot down is the kicker.

These things have gone on for years and years and years - Syria, Iraq, the Balkans, Yemen, Palestine etc etc. We did some of it ourselves or sold the weapons being used. It is dreadful, of course it is, but it's hard to understand now why it is only now that anyone cares (that doesn't have a racist interpretation) There are millions of refugees displaced from their homes due to war in the last 10 years alone.

I hear you @UltraLightfly I am finding it all very upsetting too, and I really feel for the Ukrainian people. I am also worried about the impending WW3. I think many British people feel so helpless.

@Jamoffmytoast no, he said sanctions were AKIN to an act of war. There is a difference. We absolutely cannot have a NFZ. I cannot even begin to explain how catastrophic that would be.

@PlanetNormal

Yes, it’s distressing, but Johnson, Biden & Macron are absolutely correct. The first time NATO forces shot down a Russian military aircraft would mark the start of the Third World War. Sometimes, the lesse of two evils is the best you can do. 😢

This.

@userxx

Surely we could take the fucker out ?

Well, only if we wanted to provoke a full-scale world war which would very possibly involve nuclear weaponry.

Why do people keep trotting out this shite? If it was the amazing answer people think it would have been done by now.

@UltraLightfly for the sake of your baby, turn off all sources of news. Stress isn't good for development xx

This is what toxic masculinity looks like. One man holding the whole world to ransom.

When the hell are HQ going to make a separate topic for all these threads?

Trouble is, no one knows what to do in this situation.

NATO's hands are tied.

And Putin knows it.

to be honest we are just delaying it

ww3 is inevitable. it will happen because it wont stop at ukraine.

herding the whole of ukraine into other countries....feels like he's rounding us all up. also feels like we[ve not yet met the might of the Russian forces. he's sent out kids in antiquated tanks. wheres the bigger, better tanks?

[quote AppleDoghnuts]@UltraLightfly for the sake of your baby, turn off all sources of news. Stress isn't good for development xx[/quote]
Rubbish! Stress has absolutely no effect on development and saying it does is unkind.

@userxx

Surely we could take the fucker out ?

Apparently the coward is very very deep underground in a bunker in Siberia.

It is horrendous but I don't know what the answer is. DH also heard on the radio today that Putin is insisting his own troops don't carry any form of ID so he can manipulate the news on how many of them died. So he doesn't even care about his own people. It's barbaric. His own inner circle need to see the insanity and take him out.

@TellMeMoreHellebore

to be honest we are just delaying it

ww3 is inevitable. it will happen because it wont stop at ukraine.

herding the whole of ukraine into other countries....feels like he's rounding us all up. also feels like we[ve not yet met the might of the Russian forces. he's sent out kids in antiquated tanks. wheres the bigger, better tanks?

Stop it.

We absolutely cannot have a NFZ. I cannot even begin to explain how catastrophic that would be

I can't believe how many people just don't understand this and don't realise the repercussions that would come.