To think fcuk all is being done to combat climate change

[getdown2021]

Most people don't seem to care and I rarely hear of it anymore despite being told months ago of the dire warnings. Aibu to think no action is being taken either by governments or by the average person?

[quote harrumphs]@mummykel16 I'm looking online and I'm not sure where you're getting your information on the science on climate change not being unanimous. Care to share some sources? And before you say "do your own research", I have.

www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/isnt-there-lot-disagreement-among-climate-scientists-about-global-warming[/quote]

Was that your little joke?

@Annoyedtoomuch

mummykel16

No a very convincing argument.

The worlds climate scientists, utilising various different models, have come to the same broad conclusions.

But let’s just ignore that because it mildly inconveniences us.

It doesn't mildly inconvenience me it robs me of the little that should be mine . As for the same conclusions I suppose the fixing of data and the lies they got caught out in may have helped, but shhhh can't talk about the truth.

@mummykel16 no, not a joke. Not sure what you mean by that? Or, do you mean, well of course they'd say that as they are climate scientists"

So, I ask again, could you please share the info you have to show that the belief that human created climate change is real is actually wrong?

mummykel16

Troll or loony conspiracy theorist? I can’t tell but you have nothing useful or remotely well researched to say so toddle on. I’m done.

Oh yes, the dire warnings, given by a lot of rich people flying in their private planes, some bringing many cars with them.

Harrumphs

Great name and great article. Easy to read and very clear. I I like the paragraph taken from it below. It doesn’t capture all of the reports and evidence but it’s a good, simply written piece.

‘The United States' foremost scientific agencies and organizations have recognized global warming as a human-caused problem that should be addressed. The U.S. Global Change Research Program has published a series of scientific reports documenting the causes and impacts of global climate change. NOAA, NASA, the National Science Foundation, the National Research Council, and the Environmental Protection Agency have all published reports and fact sheets stating that Earth is warming mainly due to the increase in human-produced heat-trapping gases‘

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The ‘rich’ are just quoting the scientists - who have varying degrees of wealth. Certainly are not hugely wealthy and certainly don’t use private jets. You really are grasping at straws - which I understand. The future is scary in many ways and denial is a natural human response.

Annoyedtoomuch

No, not grasping at straws, just old and no DC so not really bothered as I will be dead soon anyway

@Annoyedtoomuch okay I've read the article, and yes personal action is important, and yes those are all simple and sensible. But, doing all those things would reduce your carbon footprint by 25%. The article dodges some of the harder solutions that require more complex interventions.

The three big things we can do are:

1. to continue the move towards renewable energy, offshore wind is due to increase by 400% by the end of the decade. Anyone can switch to a 100% renewable energy tariff.

2. Next drive less or drive EV, EV are cost competitive with ICE and new and second hand prices will reduce over time.

3. When gas boiler packs up fit an air source heat pump. The government currently subsidises these to £5000 and there are high temperature models available which can directly replace a gas boiler.

Doing these could easily halve carbon emissions. Some of them but be inconvenient to start, some might expensive to start, but as has been demonstrated with offshore wind and EVs government subsidies are necessary to kick start a market but not essential in the long term.

@mummykel16 the data fixing hack has been debunked so many times.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00114bd

We replaced our cars with electric ones recently so helping a bit there.

We too both drive hybrids. There's not that much more we can do. I try to do my bit, buy less plastic, have always recycled.

Anyone got a nice link for a list of what else they expect us to do?
But. Why should we bother? What the small man does is enough. Why should we do more? When the biggies do nothing?

[quote harrumphs]@mummykel16 no, not a joke. Not sure what you mean by that? Or, do you mean, well of course they'd say that as they are climate scientists"

So, I ask again, could you please share the info you have to show that the belief that human created climate change is real is actually wrong?[/quote]
I already said

@Annoyedtoomuch

mummykel16

Troll or loony conspiracy theorist? I can’t tell but you have nothing useful or remotely well researched to say so toddle on. I’m done.

So the faking and deliberate twisting of data by "the science" is nothing to you, how sad. I don't understand why if the "science" is so agreed and so true there was any need to fake/twist so much of it. On a lighter note I think everyone should do as much as they can to conserve energy and avoid waste, I just don't see the need to act all righteous about it. what it comes down to for me is that when things go wrong like during the recent storms (many lost power) you can at least keep the lights on and phones and laptops charged.

I don't need to be virtue signalled into doing some of the things I already do.

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16 the data fixing hack has been debunked so many times.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00114bd[/quote]
No it really hasn't

@mummykel16 You are making a lot statements based on opinion but are not backing them up with any kind of external links. The data has not been faked or twisted by scientists. The vast majority of computer simulations produce noise or outlying results, there are many many reasons for this, but part of the skill in analysing simulation results is in assessing these and deciding whether they should be included. It is people who have little or no experience of scientific modelling who are faking it twisting the results.

@mummykel16 ok so I'm maybe being really stupid. To help, could you please share again the research / evidence that you've already shared that show that the isn't a consensus in the scientific community around climate change / global warming?

@getdown2021

Most people don't seem to care and I rarely hear of it anymore despite being told months ago of the dire warnings. Aibu to think no action is being taken either by governments or by the average person?

I'm guessing now Russia is threatening to cut off oil supplies to the West, governments are going to be desperate to cut off their dependence on oil and gas. I think renewable energy is going to explode in investment over the next few years out of a sudden (war created) sense of desperation.

@fungh

I'm more concerned by Russia, cost of living crisis & the ageing population issue.

Of course if we (collectively in Europe) stopped using Russian gas, they wouldn't have had the money to fund an invasion.

I'm in the camp of, I don't really give a shit. We have had covid, war in Ukraine, cost of living going through the roof. Really couldn't care if the world exploded in the next hour. Living is getting very tiresome.

These threads always end in blaming poor women in India or African countries for having too many children. The fact is that the carbon footprint of a 100 African children would be less than Elon Musk's.

I'd go much further than that. Elon Musk has a bigger carbon footprint than 10,000 Malawians (or 160 Brits).

That's nothing though compared with Roman Abramovich whose footprint is equivalent to 170,000 Malawians (or 2,600 Brits).

No real point anymore, it's already happening and won't stop.

For those who say things like so what is it then, well what about 2 years ago when it was wet from Sept until Feb constantly and then went dry with no rain for 3 months?

What about looking at N USA and Canada last year who had no rain and crops failed?

What about us 3 yrs ago when we broke all the heat records for summer?

You might thing they are all random event but they are linked and will start to become more and more common.

We lost more than 10yrs when we could have tried to make a different when that 'people' hacked the UEA climate database and tried to debunk the main scientists working on it.

@Theunamedcat

The green party arnt even credible on green policy its all pie in the sky

Yep, if they really wanted to save the planet, they'd be campaigning for nuclear energy

[quote Daftasabroom]@Annoyedtoomuch okay I've read the article, and yes personal action is important, and yes those are all simple and sensible. But, doing all those things would reduce your carbon footprint by 25%. The article dodges some of the harder solutions that require more complex interventions.

The three big things we can do are:

1. to continue the move towards renewable energy, offshore wind is due to increase by 400% by the end of the decade. Anyone can switch to a 100% renewable energy tariff.

2. Next drive less or drive EV, EV are cost competitive with ICE and new and second hand prices will reduce over time.

3. When gas boiler packs up fit an air source heat pump. The government currently subsidises these to £5000 and there are high temperature models available which can directly replace a gas boiler.

Doing these could easily halve carbon emissions. Some of them but be inconvenient to start, some might expensive to start, but as has been demonstrated with offshore wind and EVs government subsidies are necessary to kick start a market but not essential in the long term.[/quote]
Not a chance I will be getting an air source heat pump

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16 You are making a lot statements based on opinion but are not backing them up with any kind of external links. The data has not been faked or twisted by scientists. The vast majority of computer simulations produce noise or outlying results, there are many many reasons for this, but part of the skill in analysing simulation results is in assessing these and deciding whether they should be included. It is people who have little or no experience of scientific modelling who are faking it twisting the results.[/quote]
Must be why they have never got it right yet

[quote harrumphs]@mummykel16 ok so I'm maybe being really stupid. To help, could you please share again the research / evidence that you've already shared that show that the isn't a consensus in the scientific community around climate change / global warming? [/quote]
How?
Even the scientists who differ get silenced deplatformed sacked etc etc etc