To think fcuk all is being done to combat climate change

[getdown2021]

Most people don't seem to care and I rarely hear of it anymore despite being told months ago of the dire warnings. Aibu to think no action is being taken either by governments or by the average person?

@Notlabeled

1) What type of climate do you want? 2) At what period in our 4+ billion year history did your preferred climate occur? 3) How do you plan to stabilise your preferred climate? 4) How are you planning to compensate for seasonal changes? 5) How big do you want the Polar ice-caps to be?

As for the 80 year timeframe? Hysterical nonsense.

Resource scarcity? Water scarcity? Desertification? Extinction? No comment on any of these and there's way more.

It's hysterical nonsense but when it starts affecting you it'll be a different story. A very selfish perspective, how can you live on a planet and not give a shit about anything 😑

What exactly do you want to 'be done'? What sacrifices are you personally prepared to make to combat climate change?

• mandatory building specifications and green energy systems for all new buildings
• ban most single use plastics unless necessary
• shift towards sectors other than retail and mass consumption. More agriculture
• more/better public transport and mandatory electric cars for drivers
• urban farming to reduce food miles
• afforestation
• carbon capturing tech to advance

@mummykel16

Electric cars charged on renewable energy have half the CO2e of the equivalent internal combustion engine after 200,000km. Even the standard EU energy mix see’s an improvement.

www.polestar.com/dato-assets/11286/1600176185-20200915polestarlcafinala.pdf

And wind farms are no longer subsidised.

Last year offshore wind supplied energy to meet 39% of UK electricity demand and the installed capacity is due to grow by 400% by the end of the decade.
www.sse.com/media/dotp5quh/delivering-40gw-of-offshore-wind-by-2030.pdf
www.windenergynetwork.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/A1-Map_Issue-57-WEB.pdf
Gas prices here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58650634

Wood isn’t a fossil fuel.

@Stompythedinosaur
I can't foresee a situation where people will agree to their families having a significantly poorer quality of life, really.
By not taking climate change seriously you are directly contributing to doing just that.

@MistOverTheDowns
How do you justify carbon fibre having a carbon footprint 14x steel? LCA’s don’t work in such a way that you can make that statement. Unfortunately, climate change is manmade, in what way is it a con?

@JanisMoplin
The article in the Guardian is very disingenuous as it refers to scope 3 emissions which are not reported as they move the emissions from the emitter to the originator, in this context fossil fuel companies will always be responsible. This would be like blaming BP for the emissions from YOUR boiler.

@Kazzyhoward
Burning wood is not generally considered as a CO2e emission as the tree has already captured the carbon. There is debate around this along with waste to energy. Particulate emissions are a different matter. The 2030 date is challenging but it is doable.

We keep electrical products till they break and it's either not possible or not ecomomic to fix - and fair few things don't last 7 years. In fact there's few items we've upgraded that haven't out right failed before being replaced.

I was thinking that for #3 on keeping electronics for 7 years to work, we're going to need #6 in pushing for requirements on electronic products to reasonably last that long and able to be repaired and potentially support for more training and jobs to do repairs that it's not feasible for the average person to do on their own.

For me, that's tricker than 2 & 4 (though for clothes, I tend to not buy anything for years and then need to replace multiple items at once, and as you said, items aren't lasting like they used to).

[quote stuntbubbles]@MistOverTheDowns You missed the word “sheeple” from that little tinfoil hat rant.[/quote]

Doubt you ever made it on to the school debating team with that level of intellectual engagement 😏

@MistOverTheDowns

Op.

Do you have children?

If you do, will you be encouraging them to be sterilised?

if not, pipe down.

Post of The Week 🏆 😂🙌🏻👏🏻

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16

Electric cars charged on renewable energy have half the CO2e of the equivalent internal combustion engine after 200,000km. Even the standard EU energy mix see’s an improvement.

www.polestar.com/dato-assets/11286/1600176185-20200915polestarlcafinala.pdf

And wind farms are no longer subsidised.

Last year offshore wind supplied energy to meet 39% of UK electricity demand and the installed capacity is due to grow by 400% by the end of the decade.
www.sse.com/media/dotp5quh/delivering-40gw-of-offshore-wind-by-2030.pdf
www.windenergynetwork.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/A1-Map_Issue-57-WEB.pdf
Gas prices here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58650634

Wood isn’t a fossil fuel.

@Stompythedinosaur
I can't foresee a situation where people will agree to their families having a significantly poorer quality of life, really.
By not taking climate change seriously you are directly contributing to doing just that.

@MistOverTheDowns
How do you justify carbon fibre having a carbon footprint 14x steel? LCA’s don’t work in such a way that you can make that statement. Unfortunately, climate change is manmade, in what way is it a con?

@JanisMoplin
The article in the Guardian is very disingenuous as it refers to scope 3 emissions which are not reported as they move the emissions from the emitter to the originator, in this context fossil fuel companies will always be responsible. This would be like blaming BP for the emissions from YOUR boiler.

@Kazzyhoward
Burning wood is not generally considered as a CO2e emission as the tree has already captured the carbon. There is debate around this along with waste to energy. Particulate emissions are a different matter. The 2030 date is challenging but it is doable.[/quote]
So as I said, electric cars are not any cleaner

@BiBabbles

We keep electrical products till they break and it's either not possible or not ecomomic to fix - and fair few things don't last 7 years. In fact there's few items we've upgraded that haven't out right failed before being replaced.

I was thinking that for #3 on keeping electronics for 7 years to work, we're going to need #6 in pushing for requirements on electronic products to reasonably last that long and able to be repaired and potentially support for more training and jobs to do repairs that it's not feasible for the average person to do on their own.

For me, that's tricker than 2 & 4 (though for clothes, I tend to not buy anything for years and then need to replace multiple items at once, and as you said, items aren't lasting like they used to).

People have been demanding right to repair for years, and governments ignore them

My household what we can for the environment (within reason). That said, it makes no impact whatsoever when the biggest contributors like entire countries and huge corporations do nothing and no governments mandate change.

@mummykel16 how is half the CO2e emissions not any cleaner?

@getdown2021

Most people don't seem to care and I rarely hear of it anymore despite being told months ago of the dire warnings. Aibu to think no action is being taken either by governments or by the average person?

Technology takes time to perfect, design and research, then it has to be implemented which takes time, plus there's the public doing their part ect

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16 how is half the CO2e emissions not any cleaner?[/quote]
Electric cars charged on renewable energy have half the CO2e of the equivalent internal combustion engine after 200,000km. Even the standard EU energy mix

So not half not even close

Also what's the lifespan of the batteries and how much do they cost, how much energy is used to recycle the bits that are recyclable?
Add to that they are far more expensive than log diesel or petrol

More expensive to buy and to run than LPG diesel or petrol.

@mummykel16

The standard EU electricity mix gives a CO2e reduction of 30% - from 58T to 42T CO2e and this includes all the materials used in production, the Li-ion batteries, the manufacturing phase, the use phase and recycling at end of life. If you consider that most EV owners will also choose a renewable tariff, which is pretty reasonable to expect, this comes down to 27T which is a 56% reduction in lifetime CO2e emissions.

The lifetime cost of EV ownership is less than the equivalent LPG, diesel or petrol not more. A Teslar Model 3 is cheaper to buy than a BMW 320i and is about 35% of the cost to run.

www.whatcar.com/news/the-true-cost-of-owning-an-electric-car/n21008

A Teslar Model 3 is cheaper to buy than a BMW 320i and is about 35% of the cost to run.

Both of which are comfortably out of the affordability range for the average household in the U.K. Penalising owners of petrol cars is effectively punishing households for the crime of not being in top 25% of income brackets. It also penalises poverty because households that can not afford cars will be paying higher bus and train fares to subsidise those fleets converting to non fossil fuels.

I will start worrying about climate change when the good and worthy and all the politicians stop flying by private jet to yet another climate change summit.
So maybe you should try telling them about the wonders of Skype.

@Lookjaz

The earths climate is controlled by the earth’s orbit not by man

We probably had time to, whilst not stop it, but slow it enough if we took drastic immediate action. But Putin has fucked that too.

@lookjaz love go and do a little bit of research and you'll see that what's happening is against to Earth's natural climate. That's why it's so obvious to the entire scientific community (and I mean scientific, not Bob off of YouTube)

Because it's all a joke and pathetic . No one does anything. They had that conference in Nov 21. Most of the decisions and resolutions were pathetic. None of the main culprits (countries) even attended. None of the main culprits (businesses and organisations) do anything. So my recycling tinned tomatoes, that doesn't even get recycled, just dumped in some poor country, isn't going to make any difference.

@EmpressCixi the what car article also included a Golf, pretty much the definition of average. It is always the poorest who suffer most and climate mitigation will be much more expensive the further down the it is pushed.

@Oblomov22 I think you would find the vast majority of big UK businesses are taking very serious efforts to improve their sustainability.

@Mum2jenny

Much more relevant things to worry about than global warming. If Putin lets his nukes loose, we will all be screwed. The whole planet relies on evolution. It’s outwith the control of individuals. Look at history, we are all very small components of change.

What we've done as humans over the last 250yrs isn't "evolution". We have screwed up the natural balance of earth by burning fossil fuels. The earth does not have the ability ti naturally repair itself from the damage we have done as humans. Only we can try and slow down / stop this.

I'm gobsmacked by how many people on this thread who either don't believe in climate change at all, or who don't think it's something that we need to worry too much about.
Yes of course right now we're going to be more immediately worried about Putin, but climate change is the thing that will destroy us all eventually.
Go watch "Don't Look Up". It illustrates things perfectly.

@Whatdidisay

To be concerned about the climate you need to be comfortable financially, until the current cost of living crisis we as a family were very environmental thinking but now as many families we are more concerned with keeping a roof over our heads, keeping the lights on and keeping warm. Green levies /taxes are adding to the crippling prices the average households pay and I bet if there was a referendum in the UK most would vote to axe them until prices stabilise.

Definitely

Haha you have to laugh at all these electro car advocates, ooo look how much carbon we save but did you know how much energy and water is needed to mine lithium and theb produce the battery? You have to use twice as much energy and water to get the raw materials out of the ground. You literally couldn't make it up! How on earth you can think that in itself is environmentally friendly god knows. And the countries that have these raw materials are thrid world so they will be using fossil fuels to generate that energy they cant afford to use renewable energy to generate it.

Literally everyone forgets the huge environmental cost of digging the lithium out of the ground to production of a battery and then disposal of it. Maybe its not as fancy as co2 emissions but its judt as bad.

@Dreamstate you are wrong. It does not take twice as much energy to extract lithium for a battery pack than would be used by an internal combustion engine. Please read my posts or even take the time to understand what a comparative lifecycle assessment is and perhaps even take a look at the Volvo Polestar environmental product declarations.