To think fcuk all is being done to combat climate change

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Most people don't seem to care and I rarely hear of it anymore despite being told months ago of the dire warnings. Aibu to think no action is being taken either by governments or by the average person?

Yes I didn't read it properly, I apologise.
That said, 4000 is a massive amount.

I'll stick with my solar and woodburner, until something better/affordable comes along.

@mummykel16 I'd check you're energy bills if I were you. The UK average use is 15000kWhr for gas and electricity. www.ukpower.co.uk/home_energy/average-household-gas-and-electricity-usage

You joking? It’s rammed down our throat at every turn. What a load of nonsense.

@CMZ2018 climate change is nonsense?

@MorningStarling

The pandemic made people realise that a virus could take over the world at any moment. One that might be a lot worse than Covid, one that can't be vaccinated against.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine has made people realise just how fragile our lives are. If Putin decides to press the nuclear button, and his military obey his commands, billions of us could be killed in a matter of minutes. Life as any of us know it could end.

People have a finite capacity for worry. In recent years they've filled this with concern about the climate, equal rights and so on. But in the last couple of years this capacity has been filled with much more important matters.

There's no point worrying about what the world will be like in fifty or a hundred years. Most of us will be dead by then. If you're concerned, don't have children and then you won't have to worry about a future with climate change.

We're not on this planet for a long time - less than many of us might expect, given the lowering of life expectancy and risk of nuclear destruction at any moment - so we may as well just enjoy what time we've got left, as individuals and as a species.

Put another way, to me it seems more sensible that people in a hundred years will be cursing us for not stopping climate change than it does for us to fret about a future that might not even happen.

Spot on. I most definitely have a finite capacity for worry and I refuse to live my life in a constant state of panic.

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16 I'd check you're energy bills if I were you. The UK average use is 15000kWhr for gas and electricity. www.ukpower.co.uk/home_energy/average-household-gas-and-electricity-usage[/quote]
What bills?

@hungryandhormonal

Even Cop26 was a complete farce. Flying people in from all over the world in private jets, massive vehicle convoys to transport the VIPs and their entourages. All the press about them having acquired electric cars for the top guests to use...only for the actual truth of it to be that the location they were staying (Gleneagles) had limited electric charging points so they had to being in diesel generators to charge the electric cars!!

Cop26 could have been a zoom meeting.

No, they didn't use diesel generators!

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/26/blog-posting/no-diesel-fuel-isnt-recharging-electric-cars-cop26/

@MorningStarling

The pandemic made people realise that a virus could take over the world at any moment. One that might be a lot worse than Covid, one that can't be vaccinated against.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine has made people realise just how fragile our lives are. If Putin decides to press the nuclear button, and his military obey his commands, billions of us could be killed in a matter of minutes. Life as any of us know it could end.

People have a finite capacity for worry. In recent years they've filled this with concern about the climate, equal rights and so on. But in the last couple of years this capacity has been filled with much more important matters.

There's no point worrying about what the world will be like in fifty or a hundred years. Most of us will be dead by then. If you're concerned, don't have children and then you won't have to worry about a future with climate change.

We're not on this planet for a long time - less than many of us might expect, given the lowering of life expectancy and risk of nuclear destruction at any moment - so we may as well just enjoy what time we've got left, as individuals and as a species.

Put another way, to me it seems more sensible that people in a hundred years will be cursing us for not stopping climate change than it does for us to fret about a future that might not even happen.

So millions of people being flooded out of their homes or starving to death doesn't matter as long as it doesn't affect you personally?

OK.

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16 I suggest a longer Google. Our medium sized house only uses 4000kWhr.[/quote]
So using 4,000kWh of electricity instead of roughly the same amount of gas. I've just looked up what I get charged for each type of energy at the moment, and my heating bill would rise eightfold if I took your suggestion to go for an ASHP. No thanks, I'll start by sorting out the insulation and installing solar panels - having the joint effect of shrinking my footprint and shrinking my bills.

Solar water heaters are great

@DdraigGoch insulation is great and we should all put as much in our homes as possible.

All things being equal your heating and water requirements will remain constant, the UK average is about 15000kWhr. An air source heat pump extracts heat from the air and transfers it to water. Depending on the temperatures for every 1kW it consumes it will output between 3kW and 4kW. An ASHP will use 25% to 30% of the equivalent gas.

And still cost loads more, that's without the added cost of new radiators new pipework etc

@mummykel16 why would you need new radiators and pipes?

Honestly, climate change is extremely low on my list of things I give a shit about. The actions of the general public aren’t going to do anything, and to be honest I’d much rather governments focussed on the problems of the here and now - Russia, future pandemic planning so we never go through covid chaos again, the economy, gas prices. If some of those things result in good things for the environment (like please, please can we now realise nuclear power stations are the way forward to stop our reliance on Russian gas) then great. But right now I don’t want government investment going to electric cars etc. when most people can’t afford them. Let’s help people in the right now.

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16 why would you need new radiators and pipes?[/quote]
Because to do it properly they are different to the standard gas central heating.

@mummykel16 the Vaillant aroTherm Plus and the Daikin Altherma HT can both run at the same temperature as a gas boiler meaning you don't need to upgrade your whole system.

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16 the Vaillant aroTherm Plus and the Daikin Altherma HT can both run at the same temperature as a gas boiler meaning you don't need to upgrade your whole system.[/quote]
I never said any different, I said if you want it to work properly.
I wouldn't have one if it was free and free it certainly isn't

@mummykel16 what do you mean work properly? Both those work properly.

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16 what do you mean work properly? Both those work properly.[/quote]
Why are there different radiators for gch and gshp?

As I said earlier a lot of the value of gchp is based on the home they go into.
Older homes really don't fit the bill

Who's talking about ground source heat pumps?

Ashp are no better

@mummykel16 gas boilers will not be sold after 2035, the UK will be net zero by 2050 which will mean turning the gas off.

[quote Daftasabroom]@mummykel16 gas boilers will not be sold after 2035, the UK will be net zero by 2050 which will mean turning the gas off.[/quote]
And many will freeze, because they have no other way to heat and eat .

Many don't even have a chimney anymore poor fools.

[quote Daftasabroom]@DdraigGoch insulation is great and we should all put as much in our homes as possible.

All things being equal your heating and water requirements will remain constant, the UK average is about 15000kWhr. An air source heat pump extracts heat from the air and transfers it to water. Depending on the temperatures for every 1kW it consumes it will output between 3kW and 4kW. An ASHP will use 25% to 30% of the equivalent gas.[/quote]
So it uses 25% less energy, but the price of that form of energy (per kWh) is considerably more. And that's not even considering the capital expenditure involved.

Yeah, I'll wait until the technology matures and things become more economical, thanks.