To think fcuk all is being done to combat climate change

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Most people don't seem to care and I rarely hear of it anymore despite being told months ago of the dire warnings. Aibu to think no action is being taken either by governments or by the average person?

Thankyou Daftasabroom for taking some time to correct the many misconceptions on this thread.

Not very daft at all

It's so disheartening.

Hearing Boris Johnson say "politicians need to do more than make empty promises" and then leave via private jet.

All the empty promises and continual destruction of the planet. Being told to recycle and conserve water when billionaires and businesses are destroying the environment on a grand scale.

I think it will just get worse tbh.

While China, USA and India are the biggest polluters in the world anything small we do as individuals or even as a small country will do sod all to help climate change sadly

No problem @Tulipomania one of my very real frustrations is aweful reporting of this in some of the press which then gets even further distorted by individuals. The Guardian article is a classic, I'm not sure if it is deliberately misleading but without a detailed description of emissions scopes it is very misleading.

There was a similar factoid doing the rounds that milk production used xxx more water than almond production. If you read the actual paper the water use measured in the study included rainfall so obviously a soggy old Devon Ruby in a west country field is going to use way more water than a Californian almond where there's been a drought for the last ten years. The devil is in the details.

@Babyvenusplant India's per capita emissions are less than half ours. It's pretty obvious that bigger countries are going to have higher emissions.

[quote Daftasabroom]@Babyvenusplant India's per capita emissions are less than half ours. It's pretty obvious that bigger countries are going to have higher emissions.[/quote]
Yeah it is pretty obvious

India also continue to over populate and that wont help climate change either

Will the old cars just pile up in a junkyard with their friends the defunct gas boilers

@Babyvenusplant blaming climate change on developing nations is extremely naive considering the British legacy in many of them and our more recent history of burning fossil fuels. You and I have no more right to emissions than an Indian person.

Actually India's fertility rate has been slowly declining. And per capita emissions are very, very low. Most Indians don't have cars. Many Americans have three. www.thehindubusinessline.com/blexplainer/what-the-fertility-rate-decline-means-for-india/article37996061.ece#:~:text=In%20a%20milestone%20of%20sorts,2.1%20in%20a%20rural%20setting.

The biggest factor in population control is female education. The longer a girl is in education the older she is when she starts a family and the fewer children she is likely to have. Not to mention equality, economic productivity etc.

@woodhill

Will the old cars just pile up in a junkyard with their friends the defunct gas boilers

I think that scrapyards will continue to stock pile old cars and make an absolute killing over the next couple of decades as people desperately try to keep their old petrol/diesel cars on the road by using parts taken off old/written off cars.

3 months ago my 13 year old car was "written off" by the insurance company after a relatively minor prang caused by opposite neighbour not putting their hand brake on and their car rolling down their drive into mine. Not all parts required were available from the dealer so the bodyshop tried to source parts from scrapyards. Some of the prices they had to pay for second hand parts from scrapped cars were actually higher than they would have been when new direct from the dealership and the bodyshop guy said that they're having to pay 2 or 3 times more for spare parts than they were doing just a year ago as there are already shortages/high demand due to the price increases of the second hand car market meaning people are buying scrapped parts to keep old cars on the road rather than part exchanging them for newer used cars.

If petrol/diesel cars are banned in 2030, a lot of people will try to keep their existing cars for longer and demand for used petrol/diesel cars will continue to rise, especially when so many people will struggle either to pay the much higher prices for electric/hybrid cars, or struggle to charge them if they don't have driveways etc, meaning petrol/diesel cars will remain in high demand for the 10/20 year life of such cars, i.e. through to 2040 and even 2050.

@Dreamstate

Haha you have to laugh at all these electro car advocates, ooo look how much carbon we save but did you know how much energy and water is needed to mine lithium and theb produce the battery? You have to use twice as much energy and water to get the raw materials out of the ground. You literally couldn't make it up! How on earth you can think that in itself is environmentally friendly god knows. And the countries that have these raw materials are thrid world so they will be using fossil fuels to generate that energy they cant afford to use renewable energy to generate it.

Literally everyone forgets the huge environmental cost of digging the lithium out of the ground to production of a battery and then disposal of it. Maybe its not as fancy as co2 emissions but its judt as bad.

EVERYTHING we do has a massive carbon footprint, water footprint, eco footprint. Business as usual is not working and oil scarcity mean we won't have petrol cars forever

@Kazzyhoward

Yes family member had a job to buy a decent 2nd hand car recently

@Babyvenusplant

While China, USA and India are the biggest polluters in the world anything small we do as individuals or even as a small country will do sod all to help climate change sadly

Why is China the biggest polluter in the world? Is it perhaps because people in the West but so much stuff from them...?

It makes no sense to look at national emissions as, all things being equal, the most populace country will be the worst offender. It's a bit like asking which country produces the mist poo?

Excuses excuses excuses. Considering our superior ability to think with our evolved frontal cortex we really are the dumbest species in the planet.

Climate change is real. It will be catastrophic. We are causing it. The science is unanimous. We can still mitigate the effects. The world richest are the biggest problem.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/07/six-key-lifestyle-changes-can-help-avert-the-climate-crisis-study-finds

“The research is clear that governments and the private sector have the largest role to play but it is also equally clear from our analysis that individuals and communities can make a huge difference.”

The Jump campaign asks people to sign up to take the following six “shifts” for one, three or six months:

1. Eat a largely plant-based diet, with healthy portions and no waste

1. Buy no more than three new items of clothing per year

1. Keep electrical products for at least seven years

1. Take no more than one short haul flight every three years and one long haul flight every eight years

1. Get rid of personal motor vehicles if you can – and if not keep hold of your existing vehicle for longer

1. Make at least one life shift to nudge the system, like moving to a green energy, insulating your home or changing pension supplier

These aren’t difficult things to do FFS. We don’t need to wear a hair shirt and whip our own backs.

Human beings around the world are facing starvation, homelessness, floods, fire, war atrocities, poverty, trauma, death, etc but we, the pathetic spoiled rich, complain that we want our fly and flop to the costa del shit and our massive four wheel drive to get around the city and our steak and chips and we don’t want to give them up up because it will make us sad (stamps and pouts). Boo fucking hoo. Poor us!

We seriously need to get a grip. I’m embarrassed to be human right now.

Yanbu. The politicians used COP26 to signal pretty clearly that they have decided not to do anything about it. The media are happy to change the subject and the majority of the public seem happy to shrug and go along with it. I feel sorry for future generations.

@Annoyedtoomuch but the first five out of those six steps will make very little difference. 75% of carbon emissions come from burning fossil fuels for transport and electricity generation. The Guardian really has lost its head up it's arse on climate change.

@Annoyedtoomuch

Excuses excuses excuses. Considering our superior ability to think with our evolved frontal cortex we really are the dumbest species in the planet.

Climate change is real. It will be catastrophic. We are causing it. The science is unanimous. We can still mitigate the effects. The world richest are the biggest problem.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/07/six-key-lifestyle-changes-can-help-avert-the-climate-crisis-study-finds

“The research is clear that governments and the private sector have the largest role to play but it is also equally clear from our analysis that individuals and communities can make a huge difference.”

The Jump campaign asks people to sign up to take the following six “shifts” for one, three or six months:

1. Eat a largely plant-based diet, with healthy portions and no waste

1. Buy no more than three new items of clothing per year

1. Keep electrical products for at least seven years

1. Take no more than one short haul flight every three years and one long haul flight every eight years

1. Get rid of personal motor vehicles if you can – and if not keep hold of your existing vehicle for longer

1. Make at least one life shift to nudge the system, like moving to a green energy, insulating your home or changing pension supplier

These aren’t difficult things to do FFS. We don’t need to wear a hair shirt and whip our own backs.

Human beings around the world are facing starvation, homelessness, floods, fire, war atrocities, poverty, trauma, death, etc but we, the pathetic spoiled rich, complain that we want our fly and flop to the costa del shit and our massive four wheel drive to get around the city and our steak and chips and we don’t want to give them up up because it will make us sad (stamps and pouts). Boo fucking hoo. Poor us!

We seriously need to get a grip. I’m embarrassed to be human right now.

The science is not unanimous at all

Fining people in the form of green tax so you can pass the money to the obscenely wealthy isn't helpful at all

If these ideas are so good they can fund themselves,

Daftasabroom

Read the article

mummykel16

95+% of scientists agree based on 50+ years of research. I’m sure you know better though

@Annoyedtoomuch

mummykel16

95+% of scientists agree based on 50+ years of research. I’m sure you know better though

I do, because no one asked them, and any doubters any who have a slightly different opinion are ostracized or worse.

Bit like everything these days only one train of thought is acceptable.

Even when some evidence says otherwise.

@mummykel16 I'm looking online and I'm not sure where you're getting your information on the science on climate change not being unanimous. Care to share some sources? And before you say "do your own research", I have.

www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/isnt-there-lot-disagreement-among-climate-scientists-about-global-warming

mummykel16

No a very convincing argument.

The worlds climate scientists, utilising various different models, have come to the same broad conclusions.

But let’s just ignore that because it mildly inconveniences us.