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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

OP posts:
REignbow · 06/03/2022 15:53

Wow! She’s very entitled isn’t she? Berates you, calls you neglectful and then sends a link for a pair of Jeans!

Best thing to do is some tactical ignoring

Lovelteers · 06/03/2022 15:53

I seriously consider asking her to move out. I thought she was finishing A levels rather than starting adult life.
I went to uni at 18 and worked 30 hours around classes to stay there- and it was fine, because at that age you have tons of energy.
It sounds as if she may resent still being under your roof and actually would like some independence, so give it to her. She can go and get a student loan and live in shared digs and manage that.

PrincessNutella · 06/03/2022 15:55

My son did this. My therapist said say nothing, if those parents want to interfere in your parenting by undermining your rules and spoiling your child, that's on them. They'll figure out what's going on soon enough. Sure enough, the other mother called me one day BEGGING me to take my child back. We had a lovely lunch where she apologized for believing all the lies my little miscreant told her and I agreed to take him back--in a week's time, if he met the proper conditions!

VelvetChairGirl · 06/03/2022 15:55

are you sure she's not a narcissist?

shes probably playing everyone because everyone is letting her get away with it, what about him? does he buy her expensive things to treat her, work himself to the bone to get on her good side?.

joliefolle · 06/03/2022 15:57

@JanetPluchinsky many, many adolescents are narcissistic and grow out of it, but the lying/manipulating, the lack of empathy, the gaslighting, the entitlement... actually for her sake you really need to not just assume she's going to grow out of this and for her sake, as well as the rest of your family, you need to stop enabling it. It's not healthy for your younger DC to see the 'money or lift?' joke when she calls and to see you give into it and expect that she can get away with it because, well, you know what she's like....

This actually does need tackling.

joliefolle · 06/03/2022 15:58

cross post with @VelvetChairGirl

Benjispruce5 · 06/03/2022 16:02

I have an 18 year old DD. Pocket money stopped when she got a waitress job. We do give lifts to work but am happy to do that as she works in a country pub and no buses. She drives but not insured on my car at the moment. She also has a BF and spends time at his house. Luckily he’s at uni most of the time as he’s a year older so it’s only when he’s home. I think you need to write your Dd a letter. Then you can say what you mean without fear of escalation.

5thnonblonde · 06/03/2022 16:03

You could respond ‘those look great- only two shifts and you could earn them, did you want extra shifts?’

Prettynails · 06/03/2022 16:04

Ignore the texts. If she appears - house rule sit down hand outs stop immediately. If she wants to use a hotel she can go and get one with her own money

No link to buy jeans ignore

Surely you have their number after a year or email - I would text them all of the above

LifeExperience · 06/03/2022 16:05

OP, from your statements it appears that your daughter lacks empathy, lies, manipulates and has a somewhat distorted sense of reality ("You never give me lifts or money.") I've raised teenagers and that is not normal teenage behavior. It may indicate a psychiatric disorder. She's a legal adult so your options are limited, but if you can get her to see a psychiatrist I would do so ASAP.

Johntoewba · 06/03/2022 16:05

My advice? She needs a bloody good hiding and I would cut the spoilt little brat out of any monetary gains from yourself. Also I would explain to her that there would be no more taxi service from yourselves.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 16:06

I have long thought she is a full on narcissist, or a sociopath or something. She has always had some really worrying behaviours. For example she steals/takes from us all constantly, if she wants something she takes it. Yes there are consequences but she just doesn’t seem to care. If we lose something it’s guaranteed to be in her room somewhere.

She really hurt both her brothers in fights when she was younger. She stuck her leg out to deliberately trip ds2 when he was about 3 (so she was about 10) and he hurt his head badly on the kitchen floor. No reason for it, totally out of the blue. Lots of smaller aggressions as well. I have siblings and we used to bicker and fight but nothing vicious like that.

She tends to have short lived, very intense friendships that burn out.

She’s had all sort of counselling and been assessed for autism when younger but nothings ever changed or helped (she exhibits mild autism traits but didn’t meet the dx threshold).

And yes, I think I’ve overcompensated out of guilt because I feel like I’ve gone so deeply wrong with her.

OP posts:
LookItsMeAgain · 06/03/2022 16:07

Delete the text about the jeans. If she asks, say you thought she must have sent it to you by mistake and she meant to send it to one of her friends so you deleted the message.
Move on. Change the subject. Don't leave her an inch of wiggle room here.

Benjispruce5 · 06/03/2022 16:11

ADHD?

BronwenFrideswide · 06/03/2022 16:11

@JanetPluchinsky

She actually said to me this morning that we NEVER give her lifts or money.

I think she believes her own bullshit. I mean, DH drove her to work yesterday fgs. He picked her up from the boyfriends and dropped her at work. We’re a pair of mugs.

I got her the job because she was struggling to find a job elsewhere. She’s made herself look pretty unemployable with multiple facial piercings and wild coloured hair, which I did try to explain to her when she kept getting knocked back.

And she’s just now texted me a link to a pair of jeans. That’s it. No comment or please. Just the link. That’s how she treats us.

I need to step back from her for my own mental well-being I think.

Yes you are a pair of mugs, you are dancing to her tune. Stop.

Stop the lifts, stop throwing money at her. Ignore the link to the jeans. Have you ever used the word 'NO' to her? It feels as if you haven't and that is why you are where you are. Use it.

KateTheEighth · 06/03/2022 16:14

She sounds full on abusive

Your behaviour around her is similar to the way you would behave around an abusive partner

You're treading on eggshells (and I imagine your sons are too). You go out of your way to keep her moods and abuse at bay leading you to spoil her and not call her out on her frankly appalling behaviour

SarahProblem · 06/03/2022 16:16

She sounds like an absolute dick. I'd consider where your red lines are on putting up with this before just telling her she has to find somewhere to live.

VelvetChairGirl · 06/03/2022 16:18

@JanetPluchinsky

I have long thought she is a full on narcissist, or a sociopath or something. She has always had some really worrying behaviours. For example she steals/takes from us all constantly, if she wants something she takes it. Yes there are consequences but she just doesn’t seem to care. If we lose something it’s guaranteed to be in her room somewhere.

She really hurt both her brothers in fights when she was younger. She stuck her leg out to deliberately trip ds2 when he was about 3 (so she was about 10) and he hurt his head badly on the kitchen floor. No reason for it, totally out of the blue. Lots of smaller aggressions as well. I have siblings and we used to bicker and fight but nothing vicious like that.

She tends to have short lived, very intense friendships that burn out.

She’s had all sort of counselling and been assessed for autism when younger but nothings ever changed or helped (she exhibits mild autism traits but didn’t meet the dx threshold).

And yes, I think I’ve overcompensated out of guilt because I feel like I’ve gone so deeply wrong with her.

dont do that, my mother felt sorry for my sister and she's a right cow and thick as a plank, my mother waited on her hand and foot until she died, for a quiet life because my sister screamed like a harpy if she didnt get her own way and my mum would be all like well she can't help it she has disabilities (diabetes and sight problems). my sister is 50, she never changed and has never had to take responsibility for herself, shes having to do things for herself now my mums not there, like collect her own prescriptions and shopping but she's still paid for by my dad.
Feedingthebirds1 · 06/03/2022 16:19

@JanetPluchinsky

I don’t have much of a relationship with her at all right now. As I said she only contacts me for money or lifts. 99% of conversations are her asking for things, she is take take take. I’ve just scrolled back through texts and every single one is a request for money/lifts. No how are you or chatting.

I asked her to babysit last Sunday and she refused unless I paid her £10. I was desperate so I did. As someone said upthread she plays me like a fiddle. She plays on the ‘you’re always at work’ card, the ‘you’re so lazy’ card and the ‘you don’t love me as much as my brothers’ card. She’s pretty toxic towards me.

She's sent you the link to the jeans so that you can 'make it up to her' for daring to talk to her about her behaviour. ignore it.

I know it's hard but try to detach from the comments she makes. You know they're not true, so let them wash over you. Turn round and walk away when she tries it. Stop the pocket money (I assume she got pocket money when she was 10 too, you didn't send her to the salt mines to earn it).

Leave the BF's parents to it. They'll get the measure of her at some point. There is nothing you can do right now to change her. And giving her more - of anything - is only stoking her sense of entitlement and in her eyes it will never be enough. She has decided, somewhere along the line, that whatever she wants she should get, whatever she wants to do she can, and it's everyone else's job to hand life to her on a plate. Step back. Have the food in, keep paying for things like the phone (don't start taking away established things to make a point) but stop with the lifts and extra money. The more you give her the more she wants, so stop giving her so much.

PinkSyCo · 06/03/2022 16:22

You should stop worrying so much about what your DDs bf’s parents think of you and start worrying more about stamping out the brattish behaviour of your daughter! She doesn’t realise how lucky she is to have been given a job on a plate in which she can merrily decide to chop and change her hours to suit herself. You pay for a bus pass for her but yet are still expected to be her personal chauffeur? Fuck that, tell the spoilt little madam it’s one or the other, she can’t have both. Do not give her money, apart from her wages and if she starts on about how much better it is at her bf’s house pack her bags for her and tell her to go bloody live there!

gingerhills · 06/03/2022 16:22

Never mind giving her money. How about giving them money for housing your daughter all the time. I've had DC's boyf on permanent loan for weeks on end and it costs a bloody fortune.

Don;t turn up at her house to try and tell her how lovely you are. Turn up and say: I am very concerned that DD may be outstaying her welcome and making demands on you that are well beyond what's reasonable. Could we chat?

Then gently clarify a few things. And make it very clear that you have never and will never turf DD out nor neglect her.

I couldn't let my child practically live with adults I'd never met for weeks on end. You need to address this immediately. I agree with PP who suggest inviting the boyfriend's parents over for dinner one night when you can chat to them and show you are human, responsible and mist important of all, not assuming they will fill in any gaps in your parenting of DD.

Benjispruce5 · 06/03/2022 16:25

@gingerhills does the bf not have his own house with parents? Why are you housing him?

lljkk · 06/03/2022 16:32

Awwww... that sounds really tough, OP.

I'm not thinking I have great advice. Try to keep a sense of humour & of course prioritise your own sanity. Set & keep to your comfortable boundaries & don't worry about what ppl you never met think of you. Don't feel like you have to fix her. MNers are too serious for this kind of situation and fixate (blinkered) on problems.

Positives: she has good social skills, she's managed a decent boyfriend relationship, she can charm people (boyfriend's family). You're not unhappy with her work performance. She's engaging with her college course. She keeps you in her life. She is very resourceful in terms of getting what she wants. These are all good things. And there's a long list of other (common teenage) problems she hasn't brought home to you, too.

ManAlive24 · 06/03/2022 16:32

Borderline personality disorder?

BronwenFrideswide · 06/03/2022 16:32

Never mind giving her money. How about giving them money for housing your daughter all the time.

Does your daughter make any contribution to her boyfriend's parents? I hope she doesn't just take things when there either, if she manages not to then that just shows how much contempt she has for you and the rest of your family because she can behave with respect if she wants or needs to.

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