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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

OP posts:
CinnamonJellyBeans · 06/03/2022 16:37

A lot of posters seem to be projecting onto this girl. She's not your abusive family member and just because you had to clean toilets for a living aged 8, there's no need for everyone to suffer the same fate. The OP can afford to give her a decent allowance and is not bankrupting herself to keep her daughter in fags and crazy colour.

I'm a bit confused as to why OP is bring up a ten year old child tripping up a toddler sibling as if she's a monster. Most families have a lot worse than that to report.

You've clearly raised a creative and mature child in some ways. She is bold with her appearance, she's doing well at college after a set-back at her apprenticeship and she has semi moved out. She has managed to maintain a long term relationship and clearly has impressed the parents of her partner as they allow her to stay at theirs.

On the other hand, she does not appreciate you. Also she senses that you feel guilty and plays on it. If you stop feeling guilty she won't be able to guilt-trip you. Unite with your husband to be a fluffy pink grey rock (like PP suggests). No shouting or getting drawn into arguments.

I would also suggest upping her spending allowance to £100 per calendar month and telling her that is her lot. No subs. This will stop her asking and means no arguments from you telling her "no".

CinnamonJellyBeans · 06/03/2022 16:38

@lljkk cross-post

hawkinspawkins · 06/03/2022 16:42

I suspect BF mother felt awkward and put on the spot. How could she have said no.

You need to meet them. Invite over one Saturday evening for nibbles and drinks

Stixk a note through door with your jumber

5thnonblonde · 06/03/2022 16:43

With a jumper?!

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 16:46

I’m not upping her allowance while she smokes.

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lljkk · 06/03/2022 16:47

:) @CinnamonJellyBeans

simbobs · 06/03/2022 16:48

I also think it sounds like Borderline Personality Disorder. This is so difficult because at her age she will not qualify for children's services as they stop at 19, and I do not know where you could go with this, as adult services are so stretched. I don't think you have said much about your DH, and his take on all this. Is there any way that you can access family counselling (probably private) as it really sounds like you need a neutral person to get her to see her behaviour for what it is.

You don't know how she is viewed by the bf's family. They may think she is a nightmare and be desperate to be rid of her. What are his future plans? It doesn't sound as though your DD is a candidate for higher education, so if he is planning on university and moving away, she will have to come back to you. Something needs to happen, and it does sound as though professional help may be required. You have obviously gone down this route before.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 16:48

I think I just need to realise that she’s a user and hope she grows out of it.

She was lovely company last week while were treating her to days out, lunch and dinner out and all of that. And then dropped us like a hot stone this week, until she needed something.

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Staryflight445 · 06/03/2022 16:48

You’re doing too much for her op. Honestly she needs a reality check.

She is completely disrespecting you.
Did you reply to the link for jeans? I certainly would.

Her lack of self awareness is going to end up with her life in the gutter, stop feeling guilty. Your guilt is holding her back I think.
She needs to begin the journey of realisation that her behaviour needs to change. It won’t happen whilst she’s being pandered too.

joliefolle · 06/03/2022 16:49

You can have all these narcissitic tendencies and still have many good points! Doesn't mean those narcissistic tendencies should be ignored or pandered to. Ultimately it's bad for you and it's really bad for her. She's at a critical age, where she needs to learn to focus on her good points and put them to good use, recognise her bad behaviour and address it. If she has no incentive to do the latter, then she won't do it.

tempester28 · 06/03/2022 16:50

I would consider inviting them around for dinner and letting them see the truth for themselves. I would try to subtly allow them to see that she is a teenager who is taking advantage - without making her look too bad of course! Keep it lighthearted but let them know the score. If you daughter is staying at their house etc it will be good to meet them anyway.

EveningOverRooftops · 06/03/2022 16:51

@JanetPluchinsky

TL;DR

DD is telling her boyfriends parents we neglect and starve her in order to get them to give her money and lifts.

She’s an adult. Tell her if it’s so bad, she can move out.
lljkk · 06/03/2022 16:52

Parenthood certainly makes you realise the limits of your human powers.

Staryflight445 · 06/03/2022 16:52

Stop giving her lifts, stop giving her money, stop the bus pass- it’s getting warmer now it’s not going to hurt her walking 30mins. She has her own £200 she could use for taxi home if she really must.

Me and my friends when 17-18 did all of these things for ourselves, none of us thought it was because our parents didn’t care. We understood it’s part of becoming an adult.

HikingforScenery · 06/03/2022 16:54

You’ve clearly spoiled her and seeing the results, I’m afraid.
She’s 18 so I’m not sure what you can do to change her. She might go and live with the bf if she feels it’s no longer cozy as yours. I’m sure you wouldn’t want that.
I’ve no useful advice, I’m afraid.

Staryflight445 · 06/03/2022 16:54

In fact, by 18 most people give their parents money not the other way around.

You need to sit her down and explain that she needs to listen to what you have to say.
Her behaviour (and list it) is disrespectful, rude and manipulative and you won’t tolerate it.
Everything is stopping, she’s an adult and if she wants to be treated as such she needs to start behaving like one.

You’ll feel awful and she’ll hate you at first but honestly op, you’re doing all of this and she still hates you so what’s the point? Let her learn, she’ll be thankful for it eventually.

2bazookas · 06/03/2022 16:58

I'd withdraw taxi service and pocket money, and leave it to her to spin whatever tale she wants to BF parents. It probably won't take them long to realise they've been suckered by a manipulative little madam.

CinnamonJellyBeans · 06/03/2022 16:59

You just called your child a "user" like she's some mumsnet CF

You don't seem to like her very much. If we can see that, she certainly can.

Nanny0gg · 06/03/2022 17:00

If she steals from you, is there a chance she's stealing at the B/f's house?

PinkSyCo · 06/03/2022 17:00

It’s actually the first time she’s had to get the bus home from work, not ideal but she’s been able to get lifts every other time.

I do actually feel guilty for making her get the bus, she’s playing on that. But it’s a one off so far. And it’s not the worst thing in the world.

She could also have booked a taxi, it’s £7 so less than a pack of fags.

Bloody hell I’d left home by your DD’s age and walked or got busses everywhere night and day. Could not afford taxis and didn’t have a mobile to call mummy if I got scared.
My kids got their part time jobs by the time they were 18 and bought the bulk of their clothes. I certainly would not have bought a piece of clothing for them if they just sent me a link with no please or thank you. How bloody rude and entitled! Confused

Woollystockings · 06/03/2022 17:01

In fact, by 18 most people give their parents money not the other way around.

I doubt that is true - most/many 18-year-olds are at school/college and are fully supported by their parents, which is why they get child benefit for them. The parents will be paying the bills, buying food, buying school uniform and school equipment l. If the young person has a part time job, that’s usually for maybe paying for a phone contract but usually just spending money or perhaps saving up for university a bit. I would not expect someone in sixth form doing A levels to be buying family food or contributing to any bills or paying rent.

PinkSyCo · 06/03/2022 17:05

You just called your child a "user" like she's some mumsnet CF

And? She is a user so…..

You don't seem to like her very much. If we can see that, she certainly can.

Again and? I don’t like OPs DD either and I don’t have to live with her. There’s no rule that says you have to like your grown up kids even though they’re horrible, ungrateful, entitled, thieving shits you know.

Bonbon21 · 06/03/2022 17:06

Text her back ...the jeans look great.. end of.
If she wants them she can buy them... if she cant afford them she will have to give up the fags and save... or get another job... good luck with that...
Stop rolling over... stop taking it so personally... she will grow out of this... or leave home for good... either way it will get better.
Do not reward bad behaviour by giving her attention..
Be pleasant.. be polite.. do not rise to the bait..
Treat her like any other member of your staff.. at arms length emotionally.. but with the expectation that she will do her job , get paid, go away.
The piercings etc are her lifestyle choice... she will probably grow out of that too, when she grows out of this rebellious stage.
This too will pass.
Take care of you.

BlondeWidow · 06/03/2022 17:10

Personally I don't think in the times we're in these days, that it's safe for any lone female to get any night bus, whether it be in the 'ghetto' (?) or rural Sussex (people don't just get targeted in the ghetto........) so YABVVVVVVVVVU for expecting her to do that in my personal opinion. Please remember that its just not like it was 20 years ago/when we were her age. Either in rural Sussex or wherever. Also for the record, some of the most heinous, evil & twisted crimes have happened rurally.
HOWEVER..... At 18, she should be making arrangements herself for safe transportation^^ ie: Taxi or waiting for a lift.

Howshouldibehave · 06/03/2022 17:16

She actually said to me this morning that we NEVER give her lifts or money.

That is just bizarre! Do you think she genuinely believes that?!

Stopping the lifts and money is the only thing you can do here, I think.