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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

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Woollystockings · 06/03/2022 19:03

I’ve just asked my dd. Half of people in sixth form bring packed lunch from home - so, yes, normal. Others have school lunches from the canteen. Others get a meal deal or something from a supermarket.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 19:04

@InvisibleDragon

From looking at all your posts OP, your daughter seems to have a really huge amount of resentment about her younger brother/s. She wants pocket money because he gets it; she was rough and violent with him when they were younger; she says you don't care about her as much as them etc.

Could this be at the root of the problem? That she's demanding lifts and money as a 'proof' that you love her - but ending up creating resentment and feeling rejected because she's abusing your goodwill. Whilst you feel similarly rejected because she's rude and demanding and ignores all the time and effort you spend looking after her.

You mentioned that she's had mental health difficulties in the past. Would it be worth finding a family therapist who could work with both you and her to get to the bottom of her behaviour and help her understand your perspective better. If you frame it as helping both of you understand each other better, she might be more open to it?

Absolutely spot on about the resentment. She always wants to have more and better than the boys. She is the middle child.

Her ‘love languages’ are gifts and acts of service. She doesn’t appreciate quality time or anything else. I’ve tried to remember that in my interactions with her, for example if we’ve had a lovely day out and she started badgering for me to buy her something (I mean when she was younger, I don’t do this now) I took a step back and thought ok, she is asking me to show her I love her in a way that she understands. The time together wasn’t it. So I’d buy her the tat from the gift shop or whatever.

But she needs to learn she can’t demand like that now she’s an adult.

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HollowTalk · 06/03/2022 19:08

How does she show love for anyone else? For instance with her boyfriend does she buy him presents? Is she demanding of him?

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 19:17

She does buy him presents, she spent loads on him and his parents for Xmas (and absolutely nothing for any of us, which made me roll my eyes a bit).

I don’t know how demanding she is with BF. He doesn’t talk much.

She did used to walk five mins from school to my dads house and ask him for a lift home rather than get the bus, so this has gone on for years.

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HollowTalk · 06/03/2022 19:25

Wow, I'd be really embarrassed if I were her boyfriend's parents at receiving gifts when she didn't get anything for you. Did anyone in your family pick her up on that?

Benjispruce5 · 06/03/2022 19:27

Buying for his family and not her own is our of order. Does the bf know this? Do you not speak to him?

Woollystockings · 06/03/2022 19:30

Yes, not buying for her family for Christmas is very poor. I don’t like the virtually living at the boyfriend’s parents’ as well. I wouldn’t allow that. The laziness in not getting the bus and getting your dad to take her to school is awful.

Teaandtoastedbiscuits · 06/03/2022 19:31

She's spoilt. I definitely wouldn't contact his parents. You are doing more than enough for her. She sounds quite resourceful in relation to getting people to accommodate her. Next time she asks for lifts/money tell her to ask his parents as they are so lovely. She is an adult. I do understand why you want to give her security and a safe place to live but that should be all, you aren't doing her any favours in the long run. She isn't going to respect you if you keep pandering to her. She is being absolutely ridiculous ringing his parents for "a safe way home" especially if she's well able to make her way home after a night out without any bother. I understand what you are trying to do when you think back to when you were her age but I think you would get further with the tough love approach. As people here are fond of saying people only treat you the way you allow them to.I would send her a link to something you would like to buy but can't afford in response to her jeans text, but then im kind of petty

HollowTalk · 06/03/2022 19:33

The thing is, she does exactly what she wants. It sounds as though she is using you. It also sounds as though she's sucking up to his family because she knows it hurts you and because it gets her somewhere with them. I think all lifts and so on should be off the cards now. She could easily work more hours and earn more money. She thinks you are selfish because you won't run around after her, even after a long day at work yet she doesn't think she's selfish for not even buying you a Christmas present?

tolerable · 06/03/2022 19:36

You could attempt to talk to them.
She'll hate you-n realistically at best they'll go right off her,and probably wonder if youre a bit nuts....
In either case-unlikely to have a benefficil effect for anyone.
What you could do is- be a parent. Tbh, suggesting shes manipulating "into doing so is....denial,on your part.You raised her to 18 and have been allowing this crappy behaviour.
id start with..turning it right round. Take full credit.
Tell her that youve realised that youve skipped a part of being a mum where she learns the realitys of the world.So your making it up to her,by correcting that.
Cancel the "its not fair" £20 straight of.
because.you can,dont need to be fair really...(if you can afford it/choose to. -use that £ 220 as contributing to "lunch money"..so she can..buy once a week//use kitchen\provisions for pack lunch otherwise.
thats NOT depriving her at all,incidentally.
if has bus pass,and its perfectly reasonable tell her-youv done(more than)ensure her travel requirements.fully utilise "No" if continues to demand?(dunno you said that but defo seems awfully entitled to "expect"it.
Shes doing-whatchu allow.Realistically-you have little or no control over what she says/does/tells bf and family.
if know where they live,you couldtell her you feel its overdue you all met so arranging a family intro. //doesnt have to be formal,but if cant call them directly-a note invite for tea n cake or similar.
sod all "unpleasant"with that.surely

shes earnig
id start with removing the unfair

Cognoscenti · 06/03/2022 19:36

If I were you, I'd stop the pocket money (seriously, I gave my parents money towards the house, a sort of very low "rent" when I studied and worked part-time at that age), and fill the boyfriend's parents in on what's really happening - even if that is by knocking on the door and saying "I was just passing and thought I might say hi..." then mentioning it.
Not buying you any Christmas presents while getting them lots and telling you how his parents are "better" is awful, nasty behaviour. I genuinely would stop treating her in any way, including gifts. Maybe a card and tenner/chocolates for her birthday (so a token gift) and Christmas, until she starts treating you with a modicum of respect.

SafeMove · 06/03/2022 19:49

Does her boyfriend and his parents actually want her there all the time? Has she ever indicated how they feel?

She sounds very self absorbed but most 18 year olds are - DS1 and his girlfriend are both me, me, me so we are just very boundaried with them. As in 'No, you can't have a lift' 'No, you can't come here and slob around' 'No we aren't giving you money'. You kind of need to know what the messaging is from the boyfriends DP's.

joliefolle · 06/03/2022 19:53

What are the relationships like between all three siblings? Presumably she's relatively close in age to older brother and then there's a gap between them and the younger brother?

BronwenFrideswide · 06/03/2022 19:53

Her ‘love languages’ are gifts and acts of service. She doesn’t appreciate quality time or anything else. I’ve tried to remember that in my interactions with her, for example if we’ve had a lovely day out and she started badgering for me to buy her something (I mean when she was younger, I don’t do this now) I took a step back and thought ok, she is asking me to show her I love her in a way that she understands. The time together wasn’t it. So I’d buy her the tat from the gift shop or whatever.

No her 'love language' is not gifts that just manipulation to see if you'll cave in and you did, it hasn't worked has it she's not showing you any love or respect is she?

RedRoseRay · 06/03/2022 19:56

She does buy him presents, she spent loads on him and his parents for Xmas (and absolutely nothing for any of us, which made me roll my eyes a bit).

The fact you have passively rolled your eyes a bit at her doing this (at her showing utter contempt for you and your family) shows just how much she’s gotten away with in the past and why you’re at this stage now. The way you’ve justified to yourself why it was okay to buy her whatever she wanted when she was younger is also telling. You clearly want what’s best for her and what’s best for her is going to make her hate you for a while. It doesn’t matter what she says, and she will try everything in the book to get you to go back to being her servant/banker, you need to be firm and calm and stop spoiling her. She’ll only understand once she’s older and can see it from a distance.

When I was a teenager I went through a phase of coming in from school and going straight to bed. Except my mum wouldn’t allow it and forced me to stay out of bed. I hated her for it at the time but as a parent, I can see she was absolutely doing the right thing for me.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 06/03/2022 19:57

This is really bizarre.

LaurenKelsey · 06/03/2022 20:09

One of my daughters was like this. Everyone, including teachers, coaches and friends’ parents, thought she was neglected. She had a BF whose mum was a house cleaner giving her pocket money! I would contact the BF’s parents to get a clear picture of what is being said.

StoneofDestiny · 06/03/2022 20:15

She is 18 and working and living at home (someone's home). I'd give her no pocket money and tell her to save up for her own driving lessons. She is acting spoilt. I'd expect her to take adult responsibility for the (imaginary) independence she thinks she has. No more money.

I would have expected to have met the parents of the boyfriend she has been seeing since she was 17 and at whose home she is staying at. I wonder if they are sick to death of 'your neglect' as they might interpret it given your daughters lies, and fed up of bailing her out with lifts etc. They might want their home back!

mydogisthebest · 06/03/2022 20:29

@OhMygodddd

I agree with your daughter, why couldn’t one of you given her a lift home instead of catching a late bus? At 18 I would want money for food and not take in a pack lunch from home as it screams “poor” in front of everyone.

By parents didn’t care about me in this way too and my partners parents did care so this hits close to home for me.

Now I’m a mature adult of course taking in a packed lunch and it looking like I’m poor is no big deal now and quite stupid, but at the time that’s the current world your 18 year old lives in, just because it’s not important to you doesn’t mean it’s not important to her. Surly you understand the same world can be differnt at different stages of our lives.

I wouldn’t want my 18 year old getting the bus home that late when I could pick her up, you should have paid for a cab.

"screams poor". How ridiculous. If she doesn't want to take a packed lunch, most likely because she is too lazy to make it, she can buy lunch.

She has money to waste on cigarettes which are far from cheap. She needs to grow up and budget properly

ZenNudist · 06/03/2022 20:47

I'd just stop the lifts and the money. You are more than generous. Be aware the BF family may be getting wound up by her too. Not much you can do about that if they haven't got the backbone to stand up to her.

PuntasticUsername · 06/03/2022 21:10

"Her ‘love languages’ are gifts and acts of service. She doesn’t appreciate quality time or anything else. I’ve tried to remember that in my interactions with her, for example if we’ve had a lovely day out and she started badgering for me to buy her something (I mean when she was younger, I don’t do this now) I took a step back and thought ok, she is asking me to show her I love her in a way that she understands. The time together wasn’t it. So I’d buy her the tat from the gift shop or whatever."

Oh, honey, no Sad

Starkitten · 06/03/2022 21:44

"I was on my own young and I had a very chaotic life, I don’t want that for her."

@JanetPluchinsky I think this might be the key sweetheart. I think you have gone the other way and in so doing, have taught her that she can have what she wants, when she wants. It's not too late to change this - which you must if you want her to grow up with resillience and maturity. I am saddened by the vicious attacks on your child on here - she does sound young for her age but is a child nontheless. If you have the energy left to carry on caring, please try to book family mediation and get to a place where feelings can be honestly shared.
Sending love.

mumofEandE · 06/03/2022 21:59

I could have written your post about my 16 year old DD
The only thing keeping me going at the mo is that she will change once she gets to 18 Confused

GabriellaMontez · 06/03/2022 22:58

The more I read the more I think she is spoilt rotten.

Stop diagnosing her with disorders and conditions.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 23:17

@GabriellaMontez

The more I read the more I think she is spoilt rotten.

Stop diagnosing her with disorders and conditions.

You’re right actually; I’m a bit over therapied myself so I do tend to see disorders everywhere. I think I’ve just failed at being her mum.

I’ve overcompensated for my own failings by giving in to her and created a bit of a monster. I need to rethink and reset a bit.

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