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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

OP posts:
TolkiensFallow · 06/03/2022 18:03

If you look on the mind website at the emotionally unstable personality disorder information- is it her?

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/03/2022 18:04

She sounds an utter fucking delight..

And I know, all teenagers can be vile and there are reasons for that... but this does seem 'extra' tbh.

I would strip back everything to the bare basics:

Food in the house.
College/education requirements
Phone
Bus pass.

If she wants more, she can earn more - cut off pocket money, there is no justification for getting pocket money because her 10 year old brother does, there has to be a cut off point somewhere!

Flat no to all requests for you to buy her other stuff - or there is never going to be any incentive to earn more!

Justilou1 · 06/03/2022 18:05

Stop all funding. Your daughter is an entitled tyrant who is bullying you into getting her way.? She guilt trips you because you work all the time. Why? Because you’re finding her lifestyle. Stop paying her phone bill and bus pass. Stop driving her places. Neither of you are Uber drivers. You are not robots designed to make her life more pleasant. Text her and let her know that as of the end of the calendar month, all finances, bills, lifts, gifts of clothing, etc, are stopped. This gives her time to either sort out her job, or move her arse back properly and adjust her attitude. Who cares what the boyfriend’s parents are being told?? If the boyfriend’s parents have an issue with this, they can contact you directly and you can set them straight yourself. Honestly, if she is as unpleasant as you describe, they will soon see her true colours (without your finances to fall back on, it’s inevitable) and so will the boyfriend. If they don’t, then they’re fools for falling for her crap. Make sure you follow through or you will be stuck in the same cycle with her forever.

Cameleongirl · 06/03/2022 18:05

Call his parents to say hi.
Say it would be great to invite them for dinner and a drink.
Bang - connection forged so that you can speak to them about your journey with DD to encouraging her to grow up and take responsibility.

I haven’t RTFT, but I agree with @alwaysmovingforwards, make direct contact with his parents, invite them over, etc.

Momijin · 06/03/2022 18:07

@Thewiseoneincognito

Playing devils advocate here. I don’t think £200 per month is enough for anyone to be expected to essentially feed themselves and provide their own transport, I’m not saying give her more but just be aware of her perceived ‘poverty’.

She’s 18, the big wide world will teach her some harsh lessons in time so she does need to wise up but I’d just be mindful that she can’t be expected to fend for herself with £200. The poor bfs family 🤣

She doesn't have to feed herself. She can make a packed lunch. My teens are the same. Splash out on fast food and meal deals when they could get or for free at home. And no, I'm not spending £20 a day on lunches for my kids because they don't want a chicken salad wrap, or ham sandwich or whatever that I would make them or they would make themselves.
JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 18:08

I don’t have any contact details for the parents. And turning up on the doorstep feels a bit much.

They quite avoid-y. I’ve seen them when I’ve dropped her off if they’ve been outside but every time they’ve disappeared off indoors. And I’ve told DD I want to meet them but she either hasn’t passed that on or their not interested.

OP posts:
gingerhills · 06/03/2022 18:13

I'm staggered by the number of people saying 'Cut her off!' She is behaving monstrously but she is 18 - still school age. To have a mother who admits this is very telling:
She never officially moved in with the BF but just started spending more and more time there and before we realised she was there almost permanently

If DS spent more than one night at anyone else's house at that age, I;d drag him home just so as not to impose on them. And because I love him and want to keep an eye on how well he is doing his revision, and his general wellbeing.

At some level, however indignant OP is being about her infuriating behaviour, OP has actually neglected her and allowed absolute strangers to feed and house her for weeks on end. Not good parenting.

Joystir59 · 06/03/2022 18:17

You are being unreasonable for not telling your dad directly everything you've complained about here, and also for thinking you need to speak to her bf's parents. No, it's your dad you need to speak to! And STOP spoiling her!

Joystir59 · 06/03/2022 18:17

DD not dad! Sorry

RedRoseRay · 06/03/2022 18:22

You do a hell of a lot more for her than my parents did for me when I was 18 and they weren’t bad parents either. You sound like a thoughtful and caring parent who’s unintentionally raised a very spoilt child.
I think you need to focus more on treating her like the responsible adult she should be than on improving your relationship with her right now. You’re her parent, not her friend. Stop giving her an allowance, stop giving her lifts everywhere and don’t buy her anything else. I was at college when I was 18, and I worked to pay money towards rent/food at home and bought most of my own clothes etc. Tell her you won’t be replying to texts asking for money/clothes and don’t. There’s no way in hell my parents would have tolerated such disrespect as a text with a link to an item of clothing. You’re absolutely correct not to give her daily lunch money when she can make up a packed lunch. How will she ever become independent if she’s incapable of taking care of herself or learning to budget? If she’s got enough money for cigarettes and alcohol, she’s got enough to buy her own clothes and pay for taxis when she doesn’t want to get the bus. She’ll be angry with you for a while but when she eventually realises she can’t keep manipulating you for money, you’ll then be able to focus on improving your relationship.

You’d be wasting your time trying to get her boyfriend’s parents to improve their opinion of you. They could have made arrangements to meet you and haven’t. You’ve got no way of knowing what their opinion of her is as well and if she keeps manipulating them too, that’ll probably change as well.

storminateacupagain · 06/03/2022 18:26

@gingerhills

I'm staggered by the number of people saying 'Cut her off!' She is behaving monstrously but she is 18 - still school age. To have a mother who admits this is very telling: She never officially moved in with the BF but just started spending more and more time there and before we realised she was there almost permanently

If DS spent more than one night at anyone else's house at that age, I;d drag him home just so as not to impose on them. And because I love him and want to keep an eye on how well he is doing his revision, and his general wellbeing.

At some level, however indignant OP is being about her infuriating behaviour, OP has actually neglected her and allowed absolute strangers to feed and house her for weeks on end. Not good parenting.

ffs She is 17 almost18. Old enough toget married etc. If you dragged your DC home you could be charged with assault andrightly so.

There is absolutely no neglect here. Just a DD who has got away with too much for too long. OP stop the gravy train, no lifts no money- do not engage whe you get the begging or nasty texts.
Lets see how she manages on her own- she might just grow up a bit.

SunshineCake1 · 06/03/2022 18:27

@heartmag

Could you write them an unemotional letter saying you are concerned they might not be getting the full picture from DD and want to let them know that

DD has a room at your house
You buy food for DD to have meals at your house
You pay for DD's annual bus pass
You make sure her working hours end before the last bus home if she doesn't have a lift arranged

You can say DD is an adult now and you respect that but give them your contact details if they need to get in touch.

Write it, send it to them and give a copy to her.

Don't do this. Embarrassing.
Woollystockings · 06/03/2022 18:34

At 18 I would want money for food and not take in a pack lunch from home as it screams “poor” in front of everyone.

Eh? Taking a packed lunch to school for sixth form is completely normal. Both my DDs did so; one cooked the evening before so she could have what she wanted for her lunch the next day. Very occasionally they would buy soup or something from the canteen. We aren’t poor.

Lurking9to5 · 06/03/2022 18:38

I would definitely ring the boyfriend's parents!
Your 18 year old is living with them. They agreed to that, I guess, but with how much enthusiasm? I'd ring them up and ask them how the experience of having somebody else's 18 year old living with them is going for them and say that you don't always find her easy to reason with but you don't want to run her down, you just want to check in.
I'm sure it could be phrased better, but ykwim

Benjispruce5 · 06/03/2022 18:38

DD takes packed lunch to school 6th form. She occasionally gets a meal deal but she pays for it herself. Most of her friends take packed lunches too.

lljkk · 06/03/2022 18:41

I hope OP is feeling ok.
A lot of posts are very critical of OP's (presumed) parenting skills.
If I read those posts about my presumed experience, I'd be feeling rather upset & wanting to deregister.

I am always amazed by the perfect parents of MN... They must just want to implode constantly at the imperfect world around them.

TheHoptimist · 06/03/2022 18:41

@Woollystockings

At 18 I would want money for food and not take in a pack lunch from home as it screams “poor” in front of everyone.

Eh? Taking a packed lunch to school for sixth form is completely normal. Both my DDs did so; one cooked the evening before so she could have what she wanted for her lunch the next day. Very occasionally they would buy soup or something from the canteen. We aren’t poor.

It is not normal Your children may have taken a packed lunch to 6th form The majority do not.
Benjispruce5 · 06/03/2022 18:46

Oh dear god, it’s not normal to take a packed lunch to school??? Ugh as of teenager haven’t got enough to worry about, now they’re not normal if they take lunch to Confusedschool! Hmm

InvisibleDragon · 06/03/2022 18:48

From looking at all your posts OP, your daughter seems to have a really huge amount of resentment about her younger brother/s. She wants pocket money because he gets it; she was rough and violent with him when they were younger; she says you don't care about her as much as them etc.

Could this be at the root of the problem? That she's demanding lifts and money as a 'proof' that you love her - but ending up creating resentment and feeling rejected because she's abusing your goodwill. Whilst you feel similarly rejected because she's rude and demanding and ignores all the time and effort you spend looking after her.

You mentioned that she's had mental health difficulties in the past. Would it be worth finding a family therapist who could work with both you and her to get to the bottom of her behaviour and help her understand your perspective better. If you frame it as helping both of you understand each other better, she might be more open to it?

TolkiensFallow · 06/03/2022 18:54

It’s really normal to take a packed lunch out. I can’t believe people are being judgey about this. If you give them money they’ll spend it on wine and cigarettes.

Woollystockings · 06/03/2022 18:58

@TheHoptimist
Of course it’s normal to take packed lunch to school. Some may buy food from the canteen of course, and parents would pay for school lunches, and so did mine on occasion, but normally people brought food from home.

JeremyBeadlesTinyHand · 06/03/2022 18:59

I would not try and contact the other parents. You don't know them and shouldn't care what they think about you. If they are being manipulated by a teenage girl then more fool them.

I think you need to set some boundaries, make it clear you care and love her but you won't accept the shitty behaviour.

I would stop paying her pocket money. You shouldn't be paying it if she isn't helping at home and especially not whilst she is stealing.

Not all teenagers get an allowance, lunch money etc. My DD is 18 and gets none of this. We pay for her bus pass, give her lifts to and from work and buy the food she asks for when grocery shopping. She makes her own lunches, and enjoys cooking different meals to take. I do transfer money roughly twice a year for her to get new clothes but that's it. She saves nearly all of her wages to help towards uni costs later this year. Some of her friends receive allowances but many do not.

shssandhr · 06/03/2022 18:59

No more lifts. And no extra money.
She has more than enough - she's living with you without having to contribute to bills and food. You bought her a travel pass. She has a job working in your restaurant and gets 200 quid a month - that's just for spends. If she wants more then she can earn more by taking on more shifts or get a job somewhere else if she doesn't want to work for you.
She can choose whether to take food from the fridge for a packed lunch but if she doesn't want to do that then she can pay for it out of her earnings.
I was working in the family business at 16 so very similar set up to yours and didn't want to take packed lunch. We used to go to a very nice local sandwich shop in sixth form. I was expected to pay for that out of my earnings and would never have dreamed of asking for more.
And at 17 I left home to go to university in another city anyway so no relying on parents for lifts etc (which I wasn't doing when I was at school either)
She's taking the piss and manipulating you OP.
And also it doesn't matter what the boyfriend's parents think about the situation - you know what you are providing and that it is enough. If they want to drive around picking her up whenever she has a sob story, more fool them.
There was no reason at all why she couldn't have got on the late bus without causing a drama. Plenty of options were available.

Benjispruce5 · 06/03/2022 19:02

@JeremyBeadlesTinyHand awful username. Please rethink.
I agree with your post though.

Cameleongirl · 06/03/2022 19:02

Perhaps I’m just more brazen, but I would breeze up and knock on their front door to introduce yourself and say you wanted to thank them for taking care of your DD, etc. Then give when your phone number so they have it in case of an emergency…and see what happens. It’s quite possible that they’ll be friendly back and give you their number. At the very least, they’ll have yours and can make contact if they wish to.

Good luck, OP, it does sound awkward and I know it’s hard with teenagers, my DD is nearly 17. 💐