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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

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PinkSyCo · 06/03/2022 17:17

Personally I don't think in the times we're in these days, that it's safe for any lone female to get any night bus, whether it be in the 'ghetto' (?) or rural Sussex (people don't just get targeted in the ghetto........)

It’s no more dangerous now than it was 20 years ago!

Benjispruce5 · 06/03/2022 17:19

Just to add, I wouldn’t want my DD getting a bus at 11pm unless the stop was outside the pub and outside my house.

OhMygodddd · 06/03/2022 17:20

I agree with your daughter, why couldn’t one of you given her a lift home instead of catching a late bus?
At 18 I would want money for food and not take in a pack lunch from home as it screams “poor” in front of everyone.

By parents didn’t care about me in this way too and my partners parents did care so this hits close to home for me.

Now I’m a mature adult of course taking in a packed lunch and it looking like I’m poor is no big deal now and quite stupid, but at the time that’s the current world your 18 year old lives in, just because it’s not important to you doesn’t mean it’s not important to her. Surly you understand the same world can be differnt at different stages of our lives.

I wouldn’t want my 18 year old getting the bus home that late when I could pick her up, you should have paid for a cab.

Febrier · 06/03/2022 17:21

She sounds like she's been spoilt and now she's acting spoiled. I do feel sorry for you, I'd hate to live with someone like this.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 17:21

The stop is through town but well lit. And the bus stop is yards from our front door.

I appreciate it wasn’t ideal and if she hadn’t lied to him to get him to do it DH would have picked her up. And she could have paid for a taxi.

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BlondeWidow · 06/03/2022 17:21

@PinkSyCo

Personally I don't think in the times we're in these days, that it's safe for any lone female to get any night bus, whether it be in the 'ghetto' (?) or rural Sussex (people don't just get targeted in the ghetto........)

It’s no more dangerous now than it was 20 years ago!

I respectfully disagree!
JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 17:23

She also had the option of staying until close and getting a lift home with one of the others then, which she’s done before.

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OhMygodddd · 06/03/2022 17:24

And by the way she isn’t proud of this, that her partners mum cares more about her, or that she even had to call her in the first place, she’s probably really ashamed!!
You could have done better really, at 18 we’re supposed to be adults and don’t like to admit to our parents we’re actually a bit scared to get a bus back by ourselves late at night….hence why she decided to lie…because she was desperate….been there, done it. I rarely talk to my mum now, she just doesn’t really care about me and now I don’t care too.

missingeu · 06/03/2022 17:24

@alwaysmovingforwards

Call his parents to say hi. Say it would be great to invite them for dinner and a drink. Bang - connection forged so that you can speak to them about your journey with DD to encouraging her to grow up and take responsibility.
This is perfect.
EKGEMS · 06/03/2022 17:27

I have a younger sister exactly like this girl-she was diagnosed with bipolar and borderline personality disorder early adulthood. She didn't care about anyone unless they had something to give or a service she wanted. She would just take aka steal from all of us constantly. She was the baby and got away with murder. She'd lie through her teeth to anyone including teachers,cops,lawyers,parents and friends. I love her dearly but she has left a trail of damage and destruction her entire life.
I truly hope you can get her set up and independent and out of your home sooner than later

joliefolle · 06/03/2022 17:31

If she was worried about looking poor she'd spend her fag money on food instead! She'd also be taking advantage of the fund her parents have for her for driving lessons and a car of her own! She can't be bothered and she doesn't want to give up the lifts that mean she can drink and get free taxis.

OP, all you can do is draw some very firm boundaries of what you think is appropriate for your family and then stick to them. Don't budge. Keep telling her how much you love her and stick to those boundaries because you love her (and you know that you do love her, even if you don't like her right now).

joliefolle · 06/03/2022 17:33

@EKGEMS - have things improved for your sister since diagnosis?

BOOTS52 · 06/03/2022 17:38

Maybe she is afraid to get the bus home late at night on her own did you ask her that even if you think it is safe..She is just milking all the attention she is getting from her boyfriend's family and it will all soon wear off. Try to be firm but patient and can you both try to do something fun together once in a while. Most youngsters will try to take the p out of parents and we feel taken for granted but try to talk to her and abit weird the mother did not come out to say hi to you when you are dropping your daughter off as would be nice to know who she is staying with as bet they are not all that and teenage girls can be hurtful to their mums. Hope something gets sorted.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/03/2022 17:41

When did parents start treating 18 year olds like young children?

I can't speak for others, but IME it tends to happen when they've not guided the DCs sufficiently when younger, so they get to 18 and the parents find they have an overgrown toddler on their hands

Barring neurodiversity (yep, even on Mumsnet!!) it may or may not be that parts of the brain take longer to mature, but failure to use them because of mollycoddling is hardly likely to enhance the process

movingon2022 · 06/03/2022 17:42

[quote SoupDragon]@mrsm43s are you actually the OP's DD? You seem to be wilfully misunderstanding the information given.[/quote]
@SoupDragon Thank you for pointing this out. I was just going to say the same.

goodnightgrumble · 06/03/2022 17:42

You are not doing her any favours OP as you are treating her like a child. She is not experiencing the real world! My 18 year old has to get a taxi home from work on in a late shift (doing a levels and working). She pays for it herself. Life isn't fair

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/03/2022 17:50

It’s no more dangerous now than it was 20 years ago

I've often wondered if it's perceptions which have have changed with the advent of social media/24-7 news, rather than the actual risks

Tragically, people have always been attacked in various horrible ways, but we just didn't hear about them so much; now we do, it's only too easy to believe there's an attack waiting in every shadow

CarrieHughes · 06/03/2022 17:50

Your DD seems to have underlying mental issues that will probably result in her screwing up her adult life. Or worse, her children's!
I don't know how you do it but this needs addressing. Withhold pocket money unless she gets help?

Woollystockings · 06/03/2022 17:50

I definitely would expect my 18-year-old to get home by public transport or by their own steam at that time of night. Completely normal.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 17:52

She also has the option now she’s turned 18 of becoming proper front of house staff, she could triple her earnings by working both weekend nights and maybe some weeknights. She has lots of options other than asking for cash that I just don’t have.

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Xpologog · 06/03/2022 17:56

She’s an adult, not a child. Sounds like she wants to puck and choose which to be to get the most out of a situation.
I’d suggest stop paying her pocket money— she’s old enough to get married or join the Forces! Her wages plus you paying her bus pass are quite enough. Food is there for her to make lunch. If she wants to buy lunch then she can with her own money.
If she has a go again with bfs parents are saints, you’re sooooooo awful laugh. Don’t get into an argument. Just laugh and tell her she’s an adult, not a child. And repeat.
Teenagers can be pretty horrible but I found they got over it by 18, so fingers crossed.

CarrieHughes · 06/03/2022 17:57

@EKGEMS

I have a younger sister exactly like this girl-she was diagnosed with bipolar and borderline personality disorder early adulthood. She didn't care about anyone unless they had something to give or a service she wanted. She would just take aka steal from all of us constantly. She was the baby and got away with murder. She'd lie through her teeth to anyone including teachers,cops,lawyers,parents and friends. I love her dearly but she has left a trail of damage and destruction her entire life. I truly hope you can get her set up and independent and out of your home sooner than later
This OP. Her behavior now is only the tip of the iceberg. People with personality disorders are great actors. Very charming, sweetness and light as long as they're getting what they want. Skilled manipulators. It might not be their fault but that's what they are.

You haven't 'failed' her. It's nobody's 'fault' if she's been like that as a child. But you need to get her help before it goes too far.

Btw she's definitely not autistic. Quite the opposite as an inability to understand social manipulation is one of the hallmarks of autism (yes, even for women).

ivykaty44 · 06/03/2022 17:58

I’m not upping her allowance while she smokes.

id not be giving her an allowance to burn, f she wants to smoke fine but she needs to burn her own money

Ginger1982 · 06/03/2022 18:00

I'd be encouraging her to move out sooner rather than later.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 18:03

I don’t want to force her out, she’s only half way through her first year of college. I want her to have at least A levels before she’s having to self support.

I was on my own young and I had a very chaotic life, I don’t want that for her.

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