Not to pay childminders travel expenses

[AdviceNeeded367]

Last summer, Childminder asked for an extra £10 per week to help pay for activities while she has DS.

In December, she demanded a 27% payrise.

Today she has demanded a 45p per mile travel expense.

AIBU to tell her a flat No?

45p per mile is the HMRC rate for business travel. It is designed to cover not just petrol, but wear and tear of the car being used. Since the Carer is travelling to your home OP to collect and return the child it is perfectly reasonable to pay this to her. She has to do the travel to be able to carry out the work you are paying her to do so it's not unreasonable.

Think you might be breaking the law. Maybe check with HMRC? If she is self employed, she can charge what she wants and it is up to you whether or not you want to pay her fee. But it sounds like you employ her, therefore you have to pay tax, NI etc and pay mileage too. HMRC might come knocking at your door if you don't knock at theirs first.

It's not breaking the law to not pay mileage, and there's no set rate to pay either. You can pay more or less than the hmrc tax-free rate, but it just gets complicated, especially if people pay more.

In the end @AdviceNeeded367 you are happy and your child is happy with her care

The pay rise she asked for sounds huge but you were under paying her hugely !!!! And illegally as not nmw

Tho as you employ her , she should be at your home for the weekend , maybe you can go somewhere when she looks after dc

Her pli wouldn’t cover her

Hope you asked to see her pli

For all those saying she is illegally paying her or massively underpaying... Whether that is true or not, it won't hold up. OP(original poster) already said that the childminder has set her own price and pay from the beginning. It's not the moms fault that the care provider either under asked pay in the beginning and is now realizing she needs/wants more, or low balled her rate to get the job etc. She can't be that surprised that the mom is resistant to continually keep raising her pay in such short time frames. The mom has agreed already twice to up her pay. The third time in a time frame, that's a lot to ask.
That's on the provider, not the mom. I feel for the OP.

@Blondeshavemorefun

In the end *@AdviceNeeded367* you are happy and your child is happy with her care

The pay rise she asked for sounds huge but you were under paying her hugely !!!! And illegally as not nmw

Tho as you employ her , she should be at your home for the weekend , maybe you can go somewhere when she looks after dc

Her pli wouldn’t cover her

Hope you asked to see her pli

How is she illegally paying her when the childminder set her own rate from the beginning? That's the providers error, not the moms.

She’s not a cm. they are self employed and set rates

Op is employing her so needs to pay nmw

@TXmum3

For all those saying she is illegally paying her or massively underpaying... Whether that is true or not, it won't hold up. OP(original poster) already said that the childminder has set her own price and pay from the beginning. It's not the moms fault that the care provider either under asked pay in the beginning and is now realizing she needs/wants more, or low balled her rate to get the job etc. She can't be that surprised that the mom is resistant to continually keep raising her pay in such short time frames. The mom has agreed already twice to up her pay. The third time in a time frame, that's a lot to ask. That's on the provider, not the mom. I feel for the OP.

The OP is an employer, so minimum wage laws apply.

I could apply for a job and say don't worry, I only want £5 an hour. But it's the employer's responsibility to pay minimum wage.

45p has been the HMRC recommended rate for mileage since 2012 - it hasn't yet been increased in line with the recent fuel price rises. It's more than pure petrol money as you have the upkeep of the car to consider.
Employers don't have to pay that rate (mine doesn't) but if they pay less then the employee can set the difference against tax.

I have disabled sons who are now adult. As children (some years ago) any respite was £14 per hour plus £90 extra if overnight, plus 45p per mile if the respite carer travelled to collect/drop home. We also paid extra for any activities. This would have been for one child, as they never went together. This was the standard rate locally. I therefore am quite shocked you pay so little. Now they are adults we cannot afford any respite so we manage without, but honestly I think you are paying very very little for this service.