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AIBU?

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AIBU to want my OH to earn more money?

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 11:27

AIBU?

I’ve been with my partner for 8 years (not married). We have two children, 1 and 4. And a mortgage. He is a great dad (and I mean this - much more present, sensitive) and does at least 50% of the housework, if not more.

But, I’m getting increasingly angry and frustrated at our finances and how id like more money for holidays and to save!

I work 30 hours a week in a professional job that earns a £32k salary. He is self-employed in a creative role, and I’m never exactly sure how much he earns a month/year because “it’s not that simple” and it also fluctuates quite a bit… and he needs to keep money in the business for expenses, tax etc so his clear take home income is not that transparent. And it’s difficult for me to challenge big purchases when he says they’re needed for my business.

His parents have always been terrible at managing money and as such he has huge anxiety about talking about money.

When we bought our house i got him to agree to a joint account, and we agreed to work out how much our bills and reasonable other spending would be, and split it in proportion to our earnings. And keep the rest in our own accounts. I agreed to do this on his worst case scenario month. Basically I paid 2/3 and he paid 1/3.

Then he got frustrated that he had v little disposable income, and I agreed (in a v stressful emotional conversation) to splitting it so that we instead have the same amount of disposable income each left. So I now pay more than 2x what he pays - so I pay £1250 a month, and he pays £450.

This is never really enough to pay for incidental stuff though, like Xmas and birthdays and new shoes for the children, new furniture for the house etc so I normally pay for these out of my own leftover money.

I’m getting increasingly frustrated that:
a) I’ve trained to be in a seemingly well-paid job but can’t really afford luxuries or to save anything for a holiday or the future, because he doesn’t earn enough money. Am I unreasonable that I want him to be a better business person and earn more money, even though he’s very good at what he does?
b) that he won’t be really transparent with me about his financial situation - for example, I paid off his overdraft when I came into some money that I later used for our house deposit, and then we went on a uk holiday and he went substantially back into his overdraft on the basis that I’d said it would be nice to go for lunch and other things, without knowing that would be the outcome, because he can’t talk about it because it stresses him out so much. If I’d known we could have changed to cheaper plans.

Does anyone have any advice about how I can help us be more organised and transparent with our finances so we can be more in control - especially with someone who has an anxious history with money? I’m never quite sure if it’s that we don’t have enough money or if it feels out of my control?

OP posts:
Landedonfeet · 03/03/2022 15:02

The op can’t go to the accountants herself to get to the bottom of it!

user1471462115 · 03/03/2022 15:07

I would also check his NI record to see if he will actually have a state pension when he is old. A hobby job won’t be paying enough NI, never mind a SIPP, so yours will be the only income in retirement.

He needs proper job that pays National Minimum Wage. This exists for a reason, that reason being that is is (almost) enough to keep an adult housed, fed, clothed and warm. Any less is considered exploitation or modern slavery.

TammyOne · 03/03/2022 15:10

He’s financially abusing you but being very pleasant about it.
Yep.
I had one of these. Lovely guy. Also a gambling addict and compulsive liar.
If your partner won’t be transparent about money then they have no qualms at all about lying and stealing (and hoarding or wasting money that should be going towards feeding and housing your family IS stealing)
Sorry OP but I would draw a line in the sand and get to the bottom of it. My ex gave me ALL the excuses/ flannel/ blinding with science. Was all bullshit to hide the truth.

BowerOfBramble · 03/03/2022 15:13

I actually disagree that he's probably in debt/not earning anything. My guess is his "anxiety" is leading him to hoard his earnings away from "danger" i.e. the family spending pot - and he's probably got thousands stashed away but he doesn't need to worry about this because OP has it covered.

IME self-employed people sometimes think employed people have it easy because "the money just comes in", as if that's a given and will go on forever. They sometimes forget what you give up for employment e.g. freedom to decide hours, not seeing the kids etc.

The alternative is he's spending all day not working OP.

ChairCareOh · 03/03/2022 15:15

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 15:26

@MooseBeTimeForSnow god damn this site is good for cutting through.

Joint names. … I know I know

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HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 03/03/2022 15:30

I don’t think you can tell him to earn more, but you can certainly ask and put forward your reasons

No sure what my response would be if someone told me I needed to earn more,

Landedonfeet · 03/03/2022 15:32

[quote CafeNervosa]@MooseBeTimeForSnow god damn this site is good for cutting through.

Joint names. … I know I know[/quote]
What’s joint names?

Landedonfeet · 03/03/2022 15:34

Ah the house in joint names

What’s the problem with that? You were happy and trusted him enough to have children with him

So putting the house in joint names is surely much less than that?
You’ve gone from thinking a few hours ago that he’s truly truly a great dad
To now kicking yourself about putting the father of your children on the deeds for your family home

Mulhollandmagoo · 03/03/2022 15:36

@CafeNervosa

“ My partner and I have one joint account with multiple branches filtered off for tax (we are both self-employed), mortgage payments, holiday savings, bills etc. Then we send personal spending money out from that joint account into our personal accounts each month.”

@joliefolle this is a really interesting model. I wonder if we could realign to this… over time…!

We do similar here, we have our wages paid into one joint account, and all the bills come out of there, we both have access to this, and we transfer a set amount per month into a joint savings account and then some pocket money each onto our own current accounts to do with as we wish.
CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 15:36

@BowerOfBramble I think you’re almost right. I don’t think he has thousands stashed away. I think he has more credit arrangements than he wants me to realise.

But the rest is true. Why spend your own money when you don’t need to. That’s the situation I’ve built.

OP posts:
CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 15:39

@Landedonfeet joint names because we’re a team and have children together. Maybe I should have been more protective over that money but it would gave felt like an expression of lack of trust or intent to do otherwise.

Btw, no intentions to (as some say) LTB. Just want to remove my stress about this issue to something that feels fairer. And I’m here to help understand was is objectively fair.

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BowerOfBramble · 03/03/2022 15:40

You must be feeling a bit overwhelmed OP. I think what this thread has shown is not that your husband is a terrible dickbag or anything, but that he is - maybe accidentally - being really unfair to you and that needs to change. He can't hide his finances any more. Ridiculous to expect someone to foot almost all the bills but not condescend to tell them what you're earning!

For context my DP is SE, he tells me how things are going when I ask, we split things, if he was going through a harder time and I needed to pay more I would - like you have - but I'd be buggered if I'd do that without hearing from him how much he's bringing in, what's gone wrong, and what the plan is to get things back on track. You're jointly responsible for your bills.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 15:41

@Landedonfeet I said “I know I know” because I was preparing to have to defend.

OP posts:
BowerOfBramble · 03/03/2022 15:43

[quote CafeNervosa]@BowerOfBramble I think you’re almost right. I don’t think he has thousands stashed away. I think he has more credit arrangements than he wants me to realise.

But the rest is true. Why spend your own money when you don’t need to. That’s the situation I’ve built.[/quote]
X post - what does "more credit arrangements" mean? Do you think he's in debt? How can that be when he's working nearly full time and not spending much at all?

(BTW it's a situation he has built and you've allowed - don't take this all on yourself too!)

MooseBeTimeForSnow · 03/03/2022 15:44

@Landedonfeet What’s the issue with joint names? Well, if they split he’ll get half of any equity. But presumably he isn’t contributing half towards the mortgage. And it reads like OP paid the deposit but possibly didn’t take any steps to protect it.

Badbaddog · 03/03/2022 15:44

Spreadsheets

pinkyredrose · 03/03/2022 15:44

What does he do?

WouldIwasShookspeared · 03/03/2022 15:47

I'd give him a choice.
Either give me full details of your income or pay 50% of our outgoings and how you do that is for you to solve.

sleepyhoglet · 03/03/2022 15:47

Change to this-
Have a joint account where earnings both go. Then both withdraw the same amount of disposal income to personal accounts rather than vice versa

lovingtheheat · 03/03/2022 15:50

Yanbu. My husband is self employed. We have complete transparency and he is always keen to ensure he earns the maximum possible for the benefit of our family. Your partner is being rather self indulgent with the benefit of your funding!

Clymene · 03/03/2022 15:51

[quote CafeNervosa]@Landedonfeet joint names because we’re a team and have children together. Maybe I should have been more protective over that money but it would gave felt like an expression of lack of trust or intent to do otherwise.

Btw, no intentions to (as some say) LTB. Just want to remove my stress about this issue to something that feels fairer. And I’m here to help understand was is objectively fair.[/quote]
It's interesting that you're worried about showing him that you don't trust him when he doesn't trust you.

He could be claiming job seekers allowance and be contributing almost the same to the family pot. And then he could do all the pick ups and cleaning and stuff rather than spending his days doing busywork. He may as well be spending his time watching telly.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 15:51

@Hrpuffnstuff1 i wanted to respond directly because I like a strong opinion - also to respond not only for me because you’re making broad strokes too.

Firstly, I never said I enjoyed my job.
Secondly, what I call ‘adventures’ are going to the local theatre, buying a kite, eating ice cream in winter, maybe the Eurostar to Paris… they may be still extravagances in your view but I thought it worth clarifying.

Maybe the imminent WW has added to my feeling that I might want to live life while we can.

OP posts:
mumofbun · 03/03/2022 15:52

We have a joint account and we both pay in an amount to leave us with the same amount of disposable income ... but everything comes out of the joint account! Food, petrol, savings for house, christmas/birthdays, holidays and emergencies (into 4 other savings accounts). Child benefit goes into its own account and is left to be used for shoes, car seats, swimming lessons.

Chimchiminie · 03/03/2022 15:52

@Viviennemary

He needs to get a proper job and support his family. Why should you put up with this airy fairy vagueness. I would be suspecting he is hiding debt and thats why he doesn't want to discuss it.
That’s what I thought. Especially if he’s already poor at managing money and doesn’t have a steady income AND will spend beyond his means on stuff like meals out, etc. if he feels pressured (ie will rather go into debt than have a conversation).