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AIBU to want my OH to earn more money?

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 11:27

AIBU?

I’ve been with my partner for 8 years (not married). We have two children, 1 and 4. And a mortgage. He is a great dad (and I mean this - much more present, sensitive) and does at least 50% of the housework, if not more.

But, I’m getting increasingly angry and frustrated at our finances and how id like more money for holidays and to save!

I work 30 hours a week in a professional job that earns a £32k salary. He is self-employed in a creative role, and I’m never exactly sure how much he earns a month/year because “it’s not that simple” and it also fluctuates quite a bit… and he needs to keep money in the business for expenses, tax etc so his clear take home income is not that transparent. And it’s difficult for me to challenge big purchases when he says they’re needed for my business.

His parents have always been terrible at managing money and as such he has huge anxiety about talking about money.

When we bought our house i got him to agree to a joint account, and we agreed to work out how much our bills and reasonable other spending would be, and split it in proportion to our earnings. And keep the rest in our own accounts. I agreed to do this on his worst case scenario month. Basically I paid 2/3 and he paid 1/3.

Then he got frustrated that he had v little disposable income, and I agreed (in a v stressful emotional conversation) to splitting it so that we instead have the same amount of disposable income each left. So I now pay more than 2x what he pays - so I pay £1250 a month, and he pays £450.

This is never really enough to pay for incidental stuff though, like Xmas and birthdays and new shoes for the children, new furniture for the house etc so I normally pay for these out of my own leftover money.

I’m getting increasingly frustrated that:
a) I’ve trained to be in a seemingly well-paid job but can’t really afford luxuries or to save anything for a holiday or the future, because he doesn’t earn enough money. Am I unreasonable that I want him to be a better business person and earn more money, even though he’s very good at what he does?
b) that he won’t be really transparent with me about his financial situation - for example, I paid off his overdraft when I came into some money that I later used for our house deposit, and then we went on a uk holiday and he went substantially back into his overdraft on the basis that I’d said it would be nice to go for lunch and other things, without knowing that would be the outcome, because he can’t talk about it because it stresses him out so much. If I’d known we could have changed to cheaper plans.

Does anyone have any advice about how I can help us be more organised and transparent with our finances so we can be more in control - especially with someone who has an anxious history with money? I’m never quite sure if it’s that we don’t have enough money or if it feels out of my control?

OP posts:
DetailMouse · 03/03/2022 15:53

I've been referred for NHS physio a few times (No self referral here) and after waiting months, they've never done anything that couldn't have been achieved by handing me a leaflet or directing me to a website.

I wouldn't use a chiropractor though, for reasons others have stated. I see a private physio or osteopath as first choice, but only one appointment at a time.

RandomMess · 03/03/2022 15:56

I would make a nest egg in your sole name from now one because what happens if he doesn't step up and either make his business more profitable or get a different job?

Delatron · 03/03/2022 16:05

He needs to stop investing in a business that isn’t profitable and he simply doesn’t have the spare cash to invest back in to such a business.

As others have said, it looks like he’s barely making minimum wage. Time to accept the business is not a success. Not worth him spending 30 hours a week on and spending money on that you don’t have.

He needs to go and get a salaried job.

UniversalAunt · 03/03/2022 16:11

He is living like a single person with no responsibilities of wife, children & roof over head, effectively paying peppercorn ‘rent to his parents’.

He needs to earn enough money to support himself & the commitments he has made, & part of that is being organised & strategic about cash flow.

Has he an accountant?
Are you claiming benefits & tax credits?
If his earnings are below the income tax threshold, is he claiming all tax relief due?

Can he get support or coaching to help him grow his business?

At the moment, it sounds like he has a hobby job which unless he has a private income/trust fund (not you) is just not sustainable.

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 03/03/2022 16:13

And I’m here to help understand was is objectively fair.

I don’t think you will ever get this as what is fair to one person will be objectionable to the next person, you will get a load of responses and will have to pick out what seems fair to you

When I was married I out earned my partner 3:1 , to deal with this we also had a JA that paid monthly bills, mortgage etc and we paid in on a 3:1 basis, as the higher earner I ended up paying for most of the holidays, home improvements etc, and we thought that was fair, and I still had more disposable income each month, but that seemed to be part and parcel of out earning someone by a large amount, but I would have never asked my partner to earn more.

Clymene · 03/03/2022 16:14

Also accountants don't come cheap. I wonder what percentage of his income goes into the contribution to the household pot vs what goes to the accountant.

Getoff · 03/03/2022 16:14

To be honest I can never really understand why couples don’t Talk about money openly

Because one of them will be worse off as a result of any such conversation.

The corollary is that it is impossible to make someone understand something if their understanding it would lead to a reduction in their income.

Tiredmum122 · 03/03/2022 16:18

Payments for fuel are about to double or treble each month for most people. Based on your current expenditure you have no more capacity to pay. It now falls to him to find the money. If he finds the money and pleds poverty he will have woken up to the reality that life is expensive and family costs come first. Hand it over to him to fund the gap and watch how he responds. That will tell you all you need to know.

sst1234 · 03/03/2022 16:20

Maybe this has been said already but what if you worked full time and he looked after the children full time while fitting his hobby/job around the childcare.

Landedonfeet · 03/03/2022 16:25

[quote CafeNervosa]@Landedonfeet I said “I know I know” because I was preparing to have to defend.[/quote]
Not from me

To have children with someone
But not sufficiently trust them to have Joint names on the property deeds would alarm and concern me

UniversalAunt · 03/03/2022 16:27

‘ Then he got frustrated that he had v little disposable income, and I agreed (in a v stressful emotional conversation) to splitting it so that we instead have the same amount of disposable income each left.’

Just no. He is not a child lobbying for equal pocket money.
If he does not have enough spending money you are already stumping up 2/3 of the shared pot, then he grits his teeth & either adjusts his expectations or earns more money.

The ‘v stressful emotional conversation’ - if repeating this is a barrier to breaking through this impasse, then you need to question his whole attitude to commitment. Having parents who are not good with money is a cop-out, a Peter Pan posture, when there is so much information about how to manage personal finance…if he wants to.

@CafeNervosa this fundamental issue in your relationship is going to get harder as everyday prices are rising steeply.Already people are cutting right back &/or picking up extra hours or second (even third) jobs to get by let alone maintain the same standard of living.

You both need to pull together as a team to get through this, & that will require a review of all income streams & rate of spends by you as a family & then maybe some discretionary spends as individuals. I think that might be the easy part.

KindredKeely · 03/03/2022 16:27

He is living like a single person with no responsibilities of wife, children & roof over head, effectively paying peppercorn ‘rent to his parents’.

This.

£450 is a ridiculous amount to contribute to running the household, unless you have a pre-agreed arrangement that he's doing 80% of the childcare/household stuff i.e. working in what is traditionally the SAHM role, then he isn't earning enough to pretend that he's the fulltime breadwinner. he's not.

There are a few issues in this, but the fact is that you appear to be the main breadwinner/earner so you need to figure out if you're happy with that e.g. up your hours, or he needs to.

Orangesandlemons77 · 03/03/2022 16:28

@user1471462115

I would also check his NI record to see if he will actually have a state pension when he is old. A hobby job won’t be paying enough NI, never mind a SIPP, so yours will be the only income in retirement.

He needs proper job that pays National Minimum Wage. This exists for a reason, that reason being that is is (almost) enough to keep an adult housed, fed, clothed and warm. Any less is considered exploitation or modern slavery.

The OP's OH may be claiming child benefit as the lower earner?
carmenitapink · 03/03/2022 16:28

[quote CafeNervosa]@Landedonfeet joint names because we’re a team and have children together. Maybe I should have been more protective over that money but it would gave felt like an expression of lack of trust or intent to do otherwise.

Btw, no intentions to (as some say) LTB. Just want to remove my stress about this issue to something that feels fairer. And I’m here to help understand was is objectively fair.[/quote]

Why is it typically women who take this approach and not men sigh

Orangesandlemons77 · 03/03/2022 16:31

@UniversalAunt

He is living like a single person with no responsibilities of wife, children & roof over head, effectively paying peppercorn ‘rent to his parents’.

He needs to earn enough money to support himself & the commitments he has made, & part of that is being organised & strategic about cash flow.

Has he an accountant?
Are you claiming benefits & tax credits?
If his earnings are below the income tax threshold, is he claiming all tax relief due?

Can he get support or coaching to help him grow his business?

At the moment, it sounds like he has a hobby job which unless he has a private income/trust fund (not you) is just not sustainable.

They won't get tax credits or UC with the OP earning over 30K I wouldn't have thought. Not with OH's income on top. I think the cut off is about 30K.
Sceptre86 · 03/03/2022 16:33

My sister is on a very similar situation and she's told her dh to quit his business and get a regular job with regular money coming in. Her dh currently can earn £3k one month and then none the next two. Its put all the financial pressure on her and they have a son but rent. She would like to but a home but it's difficult to know what they can afford because he just isn't transparent and there seems to be a huge variation in what he earns.

You are already feeling resentful. You should sit down with him and lay all the family accounts bare to see if his business is viable and actually turning a profit or not. If he isn't then he enters the teal world and gets a regular job as it is not only your responsibility.

CognitiveDissolver · 03/03/2022 16:33

OP - I assume you know what his business is called and where its based? (apologies if I have missed this). I'm just so curious as to why it only provides him with a subsistence level existence and why he keeps it going. £450 wouldn't even pay for a room and bills in a student flat around here!

Undisclosedlocation · 03/03/2022 16:34

It seems pretty straightforward to me. He either needs more income or less spending money.

One partner working more, doing less childcare, earning more CAN work for both partners, but only if it’s transparent and it’s something that both partners want and agree to.

In this case, you have neither of those components. Rather you have an third extra who sulks if he has to contribute fairly and is secretive and selfish, pursuing a hobby which doesn’t bring in a substantial enough amount for him to fulfil his ‘adulting’ duties and a refusal to discuss it like a grown up.

Sceptre86 · 03/03/2022 16:34

*apologies for the many typos, I was trying to feed baby at the same time.

Undisclosedlocation · 03/03/2022 16:35

‘Third child’ I mean.

There really should be an edit button!

peoniesarejustperfect · 03/03/2022 16:52

@Viviennemary

He needs to get a proper job and support his family. Why should you put up with this airy fairy vagueness. I would be suspecting he is hiding debt and thats why he doesn't want to discuss it.
This is very good advice. I wondered if he's hiding debt. Plus you need a more even and transparent financial plan.
godmum56 · 03/03/2022 16:54

@DetailMouse

I've been referred for NHS physio a few times (No self referral here) and after waiting months, they've never done anything that couldn't have been achieved by handing me a leaflet or directing me to a website.

I wouldn't use a chiropractor though, for reasons others have stated. I see a private physio or osteopath as first choice, but only one appointment at a time.

ermmm wrong thread?
MzHz · 03/03/2022 16:55

[quote ChairCareOh]**@MzHz* “You are forgoing the years when they are little because you are the one sustaining the family, he is wrapping around with childcare and drop-offs and housework. That may work now, but you will get tired of this, it will wear you down. You will resent him and his little job.”*

Isn’t this the case in most households except usually it’s the woman with the lower paid job and flexible working pattern to fit around childcare?[/quote]
oh yes, but in this scenario, the woman goes back to work once the kids are in school and can contribute.

This guy won't step up.

Resentment creeps into the male breadwinner vs hobby job mum too.

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 03/03/2022 16:57

Why does he need an accountant for a dinky business.🤣🤣

Pluvia · 03/03/2022 16:58

Trying to get my head around this. You're bringing home around £2100 pm and paying £1250 into the family account — so you have a personal spending allowance of £850. He wants similar personal spending money (£850) so he's only paying £450 into the family account. So between the pair of you you have £1700pm to spend on whatever you feel like? That's an extraordinary amount of spending money for a couple with young children. I might understand it if one of you was earning over £70k, or you were both earning £35k+, but not with earning of £45k.

Yet you say that with £850 a month to spend once basics are covered you don't have the money to go to the theatre or other small adventures.
Where does your £850 go? Where does his £850 go? Sound to me as if you need several pots — children's clothing etc, furniture/household bills, pension, holiday, savings — into which you both pay equally. If that means that all the basics are cover and you end up with £150 for yourselves each month, so be it.

You need to be quite forensic about it and not take no for an answer from him, because these are family resources: he's a man with dependant children. He can either take on all the day-to-day childcare freeing you up to pursue your career full-time, or he can stop fannying around and dig in for a few years and take on his fair share of the financial burden. His hobby can be pursued in evenings or weekends.

Investing money in a business that isn't earning your partner minimum wage is just pouring it down the drain. He needs to grow up. I have a friend with young children who works 3 evening shifts a week at a supermarket in order to get out of the house and boost the family finances. Your DP could do something like that.

You sound as if in many ways you're quite happy with the situation. The way you talk about him and the set-up, I wonder if you actually want the feeling of being in charge and quite like him there in the background, being a SAHD. Would it upset the relationship dynamics if he went into 'proper' employment and maybe earned as much as you do?