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Is there something in the air?

155 replies

mashville · 02/03/2022 21:30

My 8 year old daughter came in from school and literally had a breakdown because I couldn't put up her LED lights in her room tonight. I have never her seen her like that before. We have spoken since and as far as she says there is nothing bothering her at school, or anything but boy oh boy. She had the tantrum of all tantrums, she was slamming doors, crying, screaming she wished she was never born, hates her life, hates me, hates her auntie, hates her cousin, I'm the worst mum ever. Crying and hyperventilating. Swinging between screaming hysterically, breaking down crying apologising and then storming away screaming insults again. I tried to help her regulate her emotions but there was no calming her down. She wasn't allowed tv tonight due to her behaviour and thankfully went for an early night without much of a fight. I am in shock with how terribly out of character she behaves tonight.

Upon speaking to my sister, her daughter was the same, complete nightmare all night. I then spoke to my friend and both of her sons have been really challenging since finishing school also.

Anyone else's acting up?

OP posts:
saraclara · 03/03/2022 00:11

Thank you @Vitani, for your interesting and explanatory post. The last paragraph is particularly interesting as an explanation for the genesis of this belief.

Rainartist · 03/03/2022 00:18

Its a new moon not the full moon, the sky is dark.

I'd say there's a lot of scared kids unable to process what's going on. Kids get anxious when parents get anxious to. It may not specifically be war but the cost of living is rising, covid is still around these things can add to parents' anxieties which then transfer to kids.

Bluelillies · 03/03/2022 00:29

My son works in a hospital and he swears that a&e is much busier on a full moon-and tempers flare much faster

Oddly I’ve had a banging headache for a few days and my partner and I have rowed none stop since Tuesday which never happens-we are normally really laid back and chilled
We can’t stop snapping and winding each other up over the most minor things

TheMagpie · 03/03/2022 00:32

@imornowt For sure, but I wouldn't have it any other way! Grin

Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase · 03/03/2022 00:57

My daughter is only 4. She’s started saying she’s worried about death and people dying. I’m sure it’s to do with the war. They pick up on things.

oakleaffy · 03/03/2022 01:07

New Moon has no effect on behaviour that I know of.

Full moon definitely does have an effect on dogs, so much so that taking them out on a Full Moon can be a worry as they are likely to go off a~hunting.
New moon as PP have said means the moon is in shadow.

oakleaffy · 03/03/2022 01:11

A very bright and clear Full Moon can be exhilarating, with it's cold, silvery light.

oakleaffy · 03/03/2022 01:12

Edit ''Cold silvery reflected light''..Missed out ''Reflected''.

Full moon in WW1 was bad, as it enabled snipers to see you.

PurpleFlower1983 · 03/03/2022 01:23

@Ihavenoideawhatimdoinghelp

Dd has been absolutely awful today, she's a toddler so I know, I know, big feelings and stuff. But even so dp and myself were both tearing our hair out by bedtime which never happens.
Same, had to employ ‘the step’ three times during dinner tonight. Definitely the moon!
SuperSocks · 03/03/2022 01:25

@livinthedream1995 I know you're suffering, but that's seriously cute! Grin

Then the calpol he had at 7 hit him and he was awake til 9.15 shouting ready, steady go and catapulting his dummies and teddies out the cot.

MistySkiesAfterRain · 03/03/2022 01:40

And there was me thinking my crazy was due to pmt. Will keep an eye on moon movements.

Strawberrypicnic · 03/03/2022 02:15

I am struggling at the moment because it feels like it's been winter for about a million years!

Lanascz · 03/03/2022 02:36

How weird! My calm, slow-to-fire kids have swung between tears, lethargy, energy and wanting huge hugs for two days now. It's been so out of character that we went for a rainy, clear-our-heads walk today, just to try to reset a bit.

We've talked about Ukraine. They've asked a ton of questions and it's an ongoing narrative, but at their pace.

Me, I'm influenced by lunar cycles, but I'd never admit to it in rl, as I cannot explain why!

Catflapkitkat · 03/03/2022 02:43

Two years of Covid and now an war IN EUROPE, the 2020's are bloody mental.

Mothership4two · 03/03/2022 03:00

It's a new moon in Pisces, a very emotional sign, if you believe in all that - and lots of people do.

Personally, I blame hormones

HappyDays40 · 03/03/2022 04:40

My 5 year old sons behaviour has been terrible , launching lego coz I said no to ice creamConfused

HarlowHenry · 03/03/2022 06:33

My boys are fine but my DD isn’t. She won’t let us talk about the war and won’t watch the news. She’s not well anyway with a cold so is feeling rubbish. Friends are horrible. She’s holding it together but I can tell she’s very wobbly.

liveforsummer · 03/03/2022 06:38

My class are 6 so I'm not sure hormones can be the problem for everyone. The primary 1 classes have all be crazy too and plenty of them won't have the first clue about what's going on in the wider world

Aintgointogoa · 03/03/2022 07:15

I have been crying all day (Tues) - tears just gushing. Not sobbing or anything, literally pouring out of my eyes. Waterworks when someone said hullo in the street, when I picked up delivery, when neighbour came home and passed me on the stairs. I had a class (one on one) - cried all the way through it. My teacher found it an opportune moment to talk about feelings in different tenses 🤣 she said 3 of her students had cancelled because they were too upset to concentrate. Not menopause (long gone) There are reasons why I would be emotional anyway right now, but I usually can control myself - or at least keep it private. I feel I have rounded the corner now it’s a new day (here) but it was bloody exhausting !

Aintgointogoa · 03/03/2022 07:21

I mean Weds 2 March not Tues fwiw. Blooming’ hemispheres !

Whatafustercluck · 03/03/2022 08:16

Ours have been hyped up for a couple of days now. Not horrendous behaviour, just boisterous/ argumentative.

I think there's a general feeling if unease about Ukraine and it's getting talked about in playgrounds. They'll have heard the term 'World War 3' and apply it to their knowledge of World Wars - maybe worrying about evacuation to the countryside etc (my ds asked if we could go and live with nanny and grandad in the countryside, and he's not prone to worry/ anxiety). We know it's a fair way off that, but even we are uneasy.

And this is all on top of Covid, just when they felt things were getting back to normal. It's all very unsettling.

And I do think there's something about the full moon. The police officers I used to work with always said they were in for a rough night when it was a full moon.

livinthedream1995 · 03/03/2022 09:07

@theluckiest

No idea if it's the moon, the news or something in the air but yep, am a primary school teacher and we had a discussion about this very thing in the staff room today. It's like a weird air of hysteria.

I felt quite weepy on Monday after school as my class were wild and I just didn't know what had got into them (I normally run a very tight ship with wonderful, generally well-behaved children) They we're just hyper & super-silly.

But I'm also completely knackered. Considering we've just had half term, this is weird. Everyone seems exhausted.

I know teachers have worked through the pandemic, but the vast majority of children haven’t done a whole year at school in 2 years. It’s probably exhausting and overwhelming for them! My eldest is in year 2 so this is the first full year at school he’s done bless him
RockinHorseShit · 03/03/2022 09:14

Apart from world events... HORMONES

mine was seemingly under developed, but the hormonal mood swings started at 8 & escalated from there.

If she's anything like mine, batten down the hatches, as it's a rocky road... good complete B vitamins helped

Vitani · 03/03/2022 09:39

And I do think there's something about the full moon. The police officers I used to work with always said they were in for a rough night when it was a full moon.

Belief in the moon's influence is an ancient one, and common in many cultures including our own. If police and doctors are expecting that full moon nights will be more hectic, they may interpret an ordinary night's traumas and crises as more extreme than usual. Our expectations influence our perceptions, and we look for evidence that confirms our beliefs. (The same thing happens on "bad days" when everything seems to go wrong, but only a few key things actually do.)

Yet carefully controlled studies have not found good evidence supporting this idea.

For example, researchers Ivan Kelly, James Rotton, and Roger Culver, in their study "The Moon was Full and Nothing Happened" (published in the book "The Hundredth Monkey and Other Paradigms of the Paranormal," 1991) examined more than 100 studies of alleged lunar effects and found no significant correlation between phases of the moon and disasters, homicide rates, etc.

Furthermore, there is no known mechanism by which the moon would somehow influence a person's mind to make him more dangerous—except of course for his own expectations.

Still, though the evidence for any direct influence of a full moon is negligible and contradictory, there is some evidence for a less direct (yet more obvious) connection...

There is a good reason why there may be more crime on the nights of a full moon; it has to do with statistics, not lunacy. People are more active during full moons than moonless nights. An especially beautiful full moon may draw families out into the night to appreciate it, and lovers to local necking spots. Muggers and other criminals who ply their trade at night also use the moon's illumination to carry out their crimes. This is the illumination effect theory.

The University of Washington's Chudler has been studying the lunar effect phenomenon for years and has concluded that there are a number of reasons why some studies appear to show a connection between full moons and some forms of human madness or calamity. Either the studies tested a few people over a short period of time, didn't analyze their data with proper statistical tests, or did not take into account when a full moon occurred on a weekend or holiday — a statistically significant factor in altering people's behavior, he said. Some studies include full moon behaviours that occur a few days before and after a full moon, while others concentrate on only a single day.

Chudler explained why it would be virtually impossible to scientifically prove a direct cause-and-effect relationship between full moons and human behavior.

"The one thing to realize about all these studies [that support a connection] is that correlation does not mean causation, even if a [research] paper showed a correlation, which most do not, it wouldn't mean the moon caused the behavior." He said the only way to prove causation would be to put a human on another planet.

"To show causation, we would have to perform an experiment and control all the factors except for the moon," Chudler said. "So, for example, you would take someone to a place with no full moons like on another planet and then compare the behavior to someone in the exact situation where the moon is full."

A touchstone moment for contemporary belief in this myth came in 1978 with the publication of psychiatrist Arnold Lieber's best-seller "Lunar Effects: Biological Tides and Human Emotions," which popularized the gravitational pull theory. In that first edition, Lieber describes how his research led him to fear particularly high levels of trouble during the full moons in January and February of 1974 in Florida, after a study he conducted that purportedly linked the full moon to higher homicide rates in Miami-Dade County, Fla. He writes that he contacted Miami police, media and one hospital administrator to warn them of the expected chaos.

"Sure enough, all hell broke loose," he wrote in a 1996 updated version of the book, retitled, "How the Moon Affects You: A Compelling and Controversial Book on the Awesome Power to Affect Your Emotions and the Way You Live."

What he failed to add was that he'd predicted similar outbreaks of chaos in December 1990 and January 1992, according to a critical review by James Rotton, a Florida psychology professor and well-respected researcher in the field. "Of course these dates passed uneventfully," Rotton writes in "Moonshine," his critical review of Lieber's work for the journal Committee for Skeptical Inquiry.

Another troubling aspect of the book that Rotton challenges cuts to the heart of research supporting the notion of a lunar effect on humans. The original book cites a 1972 study that Lieber and another researcher conducted in which they claim to have found a lunar effect on homicides in Dade County between the years of 1956 and 1970. The book presents a graph that appears to show that homicides in Dade County spiked during full moons, which Lieber wrote that he bases on three studies he conducted that "attained significance," according to Rotton's research.

But Rotton writes that Lieber "neglected to tell readers that [his team] performed 48 tests of significance in all. Not divulging this information is like a gambler failing to tell us how many times a coin was tossed before three heads came up."

Susu49 · 03/03/2022 10:09

It isn't the moon.

There is is a recognised correlation between the full moon and an increase in admissions to a&e etc (as recounted by medical staff on this thread) and no one know why, but this week is a new moon (which means the moon isn't visible) and there's no such correlation.

It's pent up anxiety and fear about Ukraine, off the back of 2 years of stress and fear and interrupted lives with Covd. Plus the increase in prices - fuel, food, gas, electricity etc.

In addition, children will picking up on others' moods - their peers and also the adults around them.

We've also just had a week of awful storms - with red warnings etc.

And as someone mentioned, there's a stomach bug going around.