Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea.

[beachcitygirl]

Just that really. Sociopathic Patel refusing visas. In a time where we need leadership & empathy & intelligence there's a ducking idiot at the helm & Rees~Mogg making a fortune with insider trading.
Who the hell will admit to being so sociopathically selffish & grabby to still vote Tory?

Well if there’s a certainty in the world there is that post 😂

Fixation unabated

@Bells3032 will only get what about from Labour stalwarts I expect nothing less.

Corbyn (for whom I did NOT vote; there are other available parties besides Labour and Tories) is not even in the Labour Party any more. And in any case is not a fried of Hamas, though too tolerant of antisemites.

Starmer is now the Labour leader.

Starmer's wife and children are Jews. Do you honestly think he'd be a Hamas supporter???

Why don’t you address the Jewish poster who voiced her concerns?

If you scroll down you’ll see she has said why she has fear and anxiety, if you think she’s wrong engage with @Bells3032

Labour is well know for its antisemitism history. It clearly still attracts these people as you only have to see the people attracted to the conference. Also, the justification of HAMAS disguised as whatabouterry on these threads and mn is hideous. Antisemitism in plain sight and often condoned by left leaning people. These fears are valid and it’s just awkward for people to admit what they are doing in plain sight.

I didn’t fully recognise it at the time of last GE but I do now.

I don’t know how you managed to miss it. It was one of the reasons I spoilt my paper.

Fightyouforthatpie
Corbyn isn't in the Labour Party

ToWhitToWhoo
Corbyn (for whom I did NOT vote; there are other available parties besides Labour and Tories) is not even in the Labour Party any more

Actually, Jeremy Corbyn is a member of the Labour Party (but not the Parliamentary Labour Party) - Corbyn's membership was reinstated by Labour's NEC in 2020;

17 Nov 2020
The former leader was issued with a “warning of conduct” letter as a sanction after the party’s ruling National Executive Committee (NEC) decided he should be readmitted
The Jewish Labour Movement called the news “extraordinary” after the former leader failed to offer an apology.
JLM also branded the NEC group which overturned the suspension “a factionally aligned political committee” loyal to the party’s left.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-membership_uk_5fb3ac89c5b6f79d601ad2fc
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-keir-starmer-suspension-nec_uk_5fb44d23c5b664958c7ba6de

24 April 2022
Jeremy Corbyn will not be a Labour MP again after attack on Nato, Keir Starmer suggests...
Mr Corbyn’s Labour membership was restored in 2020, but not the party whip – without which he cannot be the candidate in his Islington North seat at the next general election.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-nato-starmer-b2064271.html

He’s not a Labour MP.

9 October 2023
Shadow minister apologises for photo in front of Palestine stand at Labour Party Conference.

Afzal Khan became second opposition MP to be pictured at stall since Hamas launched attacks against Israel on Saturday.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/09/mp-palestine-solidarity-campaign-israel-hamas-labour/

Fully recognise doesn’t mean missed.

I can see more from last few days why posters are fearful.

BIossomtoes
He’s not a Labour MP

Obviously - that's quite clear from my post - the links are worth a read though.

Yes it’s been a hard read at times

the links are worth a read though

regarding the NEC's decision.

Does it?

The 'right has a far bigger historical attachment for murdering Jews, Corbyn was a well meaning idiot but he does not represent the Labour party any more.

Many Jews have returned to the Labour party under Starmer.

How do you explain the fanatics flocking to the conference. I don’t know how many of you really lack so much self awareness. It’s not about what you feel, or what I think. It’s the real life, lived experiences of Jewish people. Constantly ignoring what they have to say and ignoring their real fears due to recent scenes; it’s ignorance at best and out right antisemitism at worse.

I earn way over 80k and will be hurting when the private school fees go up by 20%. I cannot wait for a Labour government. The corruption is endemic in the UK at the moment. Anyone who votes Tory is a fool in my opinion. The top 10% 's lot in intimately related to the other 90%. Anyone who doesn't realise this is an idiot.

@Princessandthepea0

I get you are upset about Corbyn, I am too and when Margaret Hodge was upset, I couldn't believe what had happened.

But to say the Tory party isn't anti-Semitic is incorrect. In Margaret Thatcher 's government, Alan Clark was a nazi sympathiser, Neil Hamilton gave a Nazi salute, Harold Wilson commented the party was more Estonian than Eatonian (Nigel Lawson, Michael Howard,Leon Britton were who he was referring to). When Leon Britton resigned over Westland John Stokes made this horrific comment, "the replacement should at least be a 'proper red-faced, red-blooded Englishman'".

Rees Mogg gave a speech to the Traditional Britain Group, the antisemitism policy trust highlighted this. The Monday Club was a right wing pressure group in the Tory party. I can't even bring myself to write what they said about Vanessa Feltz.

Boris Johnson, quote from his book, regarding Jews "controlling the media" and being able to "fiddle" elections, and describes a Jewish character, a businessman who "relied on immigrant labour", as having a "proud nose and curly hair" and eyes of an "unblinking snake".

These are just a tiny fraction of the antisemitism of the Tory party.

Seriously, please please don't think the Tory's are not anti-Semitic. These guys are racist and antisemitic. They rely on 'othering' people, so that we're all too busy hating each other to realise their hands are in the till, stealing.

You really don’t understand

Forcing someone to do pointless work is an authoritarian thing. Left wing.

I did my best to give
mine information to make their own decisions, and to enable what they wanted. That’s a freedom thing. Right wing.

So do I. Those feelings are valid.

Wonderful work colleague terrified for her family right here in the UK.

Places with more freedom tend to be richer. The thefts and restrictions you favour are possible only due to the wealth built up through previous economic freedom. That wealth is reducing and won’t survive your onslaught.

on chimneys: The idea that you can “teach” incorrect things through force is a leftist one.

Someone on the right would know that you can’t “teach” someone the value of labour by making them do labour and experience that it has no value.

Why is forcing people to do pointless work "Left Wing"? that's just your opinion and very much incorrect.

Far Left or Right is about control and zero to do with "Freedom"

Again, were they "flocking" ?

Jewish people in the UK, under a Tory Govt are being attacked, these attacks are from ignorant thugs, from the far right and the far left.

People who left the Labour party due to antisemitism under Corbyn but are now re joining, under Starmer, might not suit your narrative but this is their lived lives, they believe the Labour party has changed or do the feelings of Jewish people only count if they support you and your ideals.

Oh and it certainly is about how you feel, thats all that matters!

@Alexandra2001 to be clear SOME jews may have gone back to the Labour party but it's Jewish membership and support is still well below what it used to be and given the displays of joy at the massacre of Jewish/Israeli babies this week there are some that may turn their backs again.

As I've said my fear is not for Starmer. If i could guarantee Starmer would remain in power i would probably vote Labour without worry. but that's not the case. Parties can change their leaders without consulting the country and the concern is that they will return to either Corbyn or someone even worse.

There are cases of AS in the Tory party but it doesn't seem to go as deep or so high. My FIL was a massive Labour supporter in the 80s. he ended up leaving the party due to the AS he experienced. Many of those he experienced it from back then are still party members today and some in fairly high positions. so yes i am more weary of the labour party on that front than the Tories.

These are my feelings and you cannot argue them away.

These are my feelings and you cannot argue them away.

Exactly. It’s amazing non Jewish pro Labour posters are even trying.

Those who are actually interested in the fears of Jewish people this is a good thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4917737-to-think-britain-has-become-very-antisemitic?reply=129871942

@Bells3032 I ve never replied to any of your posts, so i'm certainly not arguing anything away that you feel.

People are entitled to feel whatever they like but if they post those feelings on a public forum, they, just like what i might post, challenge is to be expected.

No you're right but you've argued with others with similar sentiments