Page 24 | Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea.

beachcitygirl · 2022-02-27T02:22:38+00:00

Just that really. Sociopathic Patel refusing visas. In a time where we need leadership & empathy & intelligence there's a ducking idiot at the helm & Rees~Mogg making a fortune with insider trading. Who the hell will admit to being so sociopathically selffish & grabby to still vote Tory?

BananaSquiggle · 09/10/2023 20:34

Migrainesbythedozen · 27/02/2022 05:50

I don't live in the UK so can't vote there, but despite being a Labor voter in my own country, I could never vote UK Labour. They are stripping women of their rights to safe spaces, their rights to privacy, their rights to dignity. Voting UK Labour would feel like a vote for the ultra far right.

However, I understand it's not compulsory to vote in the UK? (It is compulsory to vote in Australia) So my solution to those like me that would slit their wrists or lay on train tracks before they vote for a woman-hating party in the UK like Labour is simply to not vote at all. If enough ABSTAIN from voting, it will send a message to Labour.

I would feel a hell of a lot safer as a woman with Labour in power.

Also, as someone who lost a loved one through one of the horrendous suicide methods you describe - please reconsider your “humour”.

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:36

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 20:32

And which party was in power when state dependency became the highest on record? And what are they doing about it? Business isn’t scared of Labour. Quite the reverse.

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/city-support-for-labour-grows-the-tory-party-is-no-longer-the-voice-it-once-was-for-business-20230217

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Business will go to where power is or heading. The Tories were. I’m not voting for them either. I think you’ve missed where I said I can’t stand either. Labour have no credible plans to solve it. With all due respect, you’re banging your head against a brick wall here. I won’t be voting either, they are both shit. However people will vote for them as Labour aren’t credible either. You won’t convince me of that.

verdantverdure · 09/10/2023 20:43

Have we ever had a higher national debt?

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 20:52

travellinglighter
The cost of educating a child in a state school is about £7k

£8k according to an article in the Guardian on Friday.

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 21:08

BIossomtoes
Business isn’t scared of Labour. Quite the reverse

Your article starts with Iain Anderson -
When Iain Anderson, the boss of an influential lobbying firm, said he was quitting the Conservative Party after almost 40 years, the move came as little surprise to some City figures...

Is this the same guy? Stonewall Chair, Iain Anderson -
My priority is fighting for trans people & securing a trans equality strategy that will support the trans community

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-affirms-trans-equality-policy-positions

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 21:13

Yes he is - just found him on LinkedIn.
No wonder he's defected to Labour.

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 21:32

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:24

I never said they bankrupted the country. They will if they get in. No plans for growth at all. Quite the opposite. State dependency highest on record - sure to go well. We are literally the definition of bankrupt now; not enough coming in to pay our outgoings,

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I believe a country cannot technically declare bankruptcy, its called defaulting on debt...

All what you ve complained about on your many posts have all happened under the Tories.
As for Labour not having a credible plan, well, how can they? we are over a year away from a GE, anything could happen.. just look at Ukraine and Covid?

Reeves general outlines were good, shame you cannot bring yourself to at least have an open mind & await the various parties manifesto's.

However, i'm not interested in who or if you vote, its one vote & immaterial.

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 21:46

@Migrainesbythedozen
I don't live in the UK so can't vote there, but despite being a Labor voter in my own country, I could never vote UK Labour. They are stripping women of their rights to safe spaces, their rights to privacy, their rights to dignity*

Well, yes these things are happening, but they are happening under a far right Tory Govt here in the UK.

FYI Labour are not in power here and haven't been for 13 years.

R37sraY · 09/10/2023 22:49

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 12:12

So you would prefer to have it redesigned by a bunch of people who can’t understand basic biology (or willlfully ignore it)

The healthcare system needs a complete redesign - the NHS is a failed model that’s unworkable in the current world.

The education system needs a total shake up, we need to limit how many people it’s trying to serve. It needs to focus more on teaching academic snd technical subjects, rather than ideologies. parents need to be more responsible in teaching their kids the discipline needed to learn, help them, teach them to behave in classes. Then the education system would be a lot better.

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It needs to be outside Govt control.

There isn’t a “we need” for education. Remove the barriers to setting up small cheap schools, remove the compulsion.

Different parents will choose different options at different cost. All much cheaper than now. Employers likely to input too.

R37sraY · 09/10/2023 22:51

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 21:46

@Migrainesbythedozen
I don't live in the UK so can't vote there, but despite being a Labor voter in my own country, I could never vote UK Labour. They are stripping women of their rights to safe spaces, their rights to privacy, their rights to dignity*

Well, yes these things are happening, but they are happening under a far right Tory Govt here in the UK.

FYI Labour are not in power here and haven't been for 13 years.

This Tory Govt is far left. It’s increased taxes, increased regulation, decreased rights, implemented energy policies that make us all poorer.

There hasn’t been a capitalist option in the UK since 1990.

Zonder · 10/10/2023 07:19

R37sraY · 09/10/2023 22:51

This Tory Govt is far left. It’s increased taxes, increased regulation, decreased rights, implemented energy policies that make us all poorer.

There hasn’t been a capitalist option in the UK since 1990.

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There hasn't been a capitalist option in the UK since 1990? 😆

From the IMF:
Capitalism is often thought of as an economic system in which private actors own and control property in accord with their interests, and demand and supply freely set prices in markets in a way that can serve the best interests of society. The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit.

Johnson, Sunak and friends are all about controlling in afford with their own interest, motivated to make a profit for their own selves and friends. We have had extreme capitalism since 2019.

R37sraY · 10/10/2023 07:57

Zonder · 10/10/2023 07:19

There hasn't been a capitalist option in the UK since 1990? 😆

From the IMF:
Capitalism is often thought of as an economic system in which private actors own and control property in accord with their interests, and demand and supply freely set prices in markets in a way that can serve the best interests of society. The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit.

Johnson, Sunak and friends are all about controlling in afford with their own interest, motivated to make a profit for their own selves and friends. We have had extreme capitalism since 2019.

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Your definition is fine.

What have those people you mention done to increased citizens freedom, property rights and ability to trade?

They took away the most basic rights. Small business hasn’t recovered. Taxes are punitive, the court system doesn’t work.

Making their own profit from Govt employment or Govt contracts isn’t capitalism.

BIossomtoes · 10/10/2023 09:57

Making their own profit from Govt employment or Govt contracts isn’t capitalism.

Of course it is. An extreme form, otherwise known as theft.

Passepartoute · 10/10/2023 10:05

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 19:33

verdantverdure
beaches

Labour haven't got a great track on beaches or water quality:

April 2009 - British beach litter levels highest on record
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/08/beach-litter-record-levels-mcs
June 2009 - UK beaches set for clean-up following damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/jun/11/beach-clean-up-europe
September 2009 - Panorama
Britain's Dirty Beaches
Sand, sea and sewage. With the quality of bathing water on the UK's beaches in decline...
https://www.sas.org.uk/updates/bbc-panorama-britains-dirty-beaches-part-1/
October 2009 - UK faces European court for allowing raw sewage to enter Thames
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/09/river-thames-pollution-european-union

If only there had been another party in power for the 13 subsequent years to put all of that right, instead of making it much, much worse.

Passepartoute · 10/10/2023 10:22

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:28

Highest state dependency on record too. Literally borrowing the pay the welfare, pensions and state bill. Labour’s plan is to scare those off who actually still contribute and are productive. Amazing.

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The well-off always claim that they will live if Labour get in. The only ones who actually do it are the ones who would do it regardless of which government is in, notably because they want to retire abroad. Investors find a stable government a hell of a lot more attractive than the shitshow of the last few years.

Passepartoute · 10/10/2023 10:29

Passepartoute · 10/10/2023 10:22

The well-off always claim that they will live if Labour get in. The only ones who actually do it are the ones who would do it regardless of which government is in, notably because they want to retire abroad. Investors find a stable government a hell of a lot more attractive than the shitshow of the last few years.

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Agh, leave, not live.

verdantverdure · 10/10/2023 10:30

I think it's the crumbling concrete in schools that has finally finished the Tories.

They were told in 2018 that there was a critical threat to life unless they rebuilt 300-400 schools a year.

And they decided not to bother rebuilding 300-400 schools a year.

To date they have completed 4.

Generally after some RAAC collapsed.

There's no reasonable defence for endangering the nation's children like that.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 10/10/2023 10:49

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 17:47

Looks very peaceful, are you against freedom of expression? no police or riot shields!!!

I certainly don't agree with the TRA's but we live in a democracy, peacefully putting forward ones case is very important.

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If putting your case is 90 minutes of listening to huge masked and balaclavad men bellowing 'nazi terf cunts' and 'shut your fucking terf mouths' with the odd attempt to rush the barriers I suppose so. Myself, I prefer more civilised discourse.

verdantverdure · 10/10/2023 11:00

The Tory Party Conference being a conspiracy ridden crank fest doesn't help.

MarshaBradyo · 10/10/2023 11:00

Alltheprettyseahorses · 10/10/2023 10:49

If putting your case is 90 minutes of listening to huge masked and balaclavad men bellowing 'nazi terf cunts' and 'shut your fucking terf mouths' with the odd attempt to rush the barriers I suppose so. Myself, I prefer more civilised discourse.

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SerendipityJane · 10/10/2023 12:13

There's no reasonable defence for endangering the nation's children like that.

It's what people voted for. In fact it would be deeply undemocratic to try and undo it.

SerendipityJane · 10/10/2023 12:20

verdantverdure · 10/10/2023 11:00

The Tory Party Conference being a conspiracy ridden crank fest doesn't help.

I believe the current argot is "The CrankTank" - lumbering, destroying all in it's path and fucking impossible to get out of. More danger it's own side than the enemy.

Katypp · 10/10/2023 13:08

Passepartoute · 10/10/2023 10:05

If only there had been another party in power for the 13 subsequent years to put all of that right, instead of making it much, much worse.

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And therein lies the problem. And the excuses that will be peddled by Labour should they win the next election.
If something 'good' happened under Labour and was continued under the Tories, the credit is all Labour's
If something 'bad' happened under Labour, we ignore that fact and blame the Tories for not putting it right.
Your argument would be a lot more credible if you could just remove your blinkers and accept that Labour is not the answer to every problem we have.

verdantverdure · 10/10/2023 13:28

SerendipityJane · 10/10/2023 12:13

There's no reasonable defence for endangering the nation's children like that.

It's what people voted for. In fact it would be deeply undemocratic to try and undo it.

"Your children will go to school under the cosh of crumbling concrete and we'll do nothing about it until after it falls down"

was in the 2019 Conservative manifesto to be fair.

SerendipityJane · 10/10/2023 15:46

verdantverdure · 10/10/2023 13:28

"Your children will go to school under the cosh of crumbling concrete and we'll do nothing about it until after it falls down"

was in the 2019 Conservative manifesto to be fair.

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This far out, does it matter ?

Anyway Riah! has abandoned the ,manifesto, and furthermore admitted he has no mandate to govern. However he does "know best" so that's alright.