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Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea.

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beachcitygirl · 27/02/2022 02:22

Just that really. Sociopathic Patel refusing visas. In a time where we need leadership & empathy & intelligence there's a ducking idiot at the helm & Rees~Mogg making a fortune with insider trading.
Who the hell will admit to being so sociopathically selffish & grabby to still vote Tory?

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Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 17:37

Bankrupting the country aside. The far left is as dangerous as the far right. Only need to see the lunatics Labour are attracting right now: especially with the atrocities that have taken place in recent days. We all know the history with Labour and antisemitism. This is a deep seated issue in the far left. The fact people are celebrating recent events at hard line conferences to coincide with the ones Labour are holding. I would never vote for them.

Like a poster said on here, I was a fully paid up Labour supporter once. Their lack of direction, clear communication around key issues and the fact they are hard, hard left in side. Nope.

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 17:47

Alltheprettyseahorses · 09/10/2023 11:05

There were lanyard wearers and this transactivist further confirms it (although I didn't hear a accent from anywhere closer than Cheshire in the mob) https://twitter.com/Spanish_tom/status/1710992914996666538

Labour delegates have form for this. It isn't the first time they've attacked a women's meeting during the Labour conference - it happened in 2019 and wasn't just Labour delegates but also paid Labour staff members https://womansplaceuk.org/2020/02/15/no-answer-from-labour-over-intimidation/ So please remember, if you do vote Labour this really is what you encourage.

Edited

Looks very peaceful, are you against freedom of expression? no police or riot shields!!!

I certainly don't agree with the TRA's but we live in a democracy, peacefully putting forward ones case is very important.

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 17:50

@Princessandthepea0 Labour "hard left" you ve really lost it if you believe that.
But as you believe the Lab bankrupted the country, you'll believe anything, debt to GDP in 2010 was 65% now after 13 years of the Tories, its 100% with gilt yields not seen in 40 years... bankrupt indeed!

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 17:51

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 17:50

@Princessandthepea0 Labour "hard left" you ve really lost it if you believe that.
But as you believe the Lab bankrupted the country, you'll believe anything, debt to GDP in 2010 was 65% now after 13 years of the Tories, its 100% with gilt yields not seen in 40 years... bankrupt indeed!

I’ve lost it because I won’t vote Labour? Prime example of hard left thinking there!

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 19:02

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 17:51

I’ve lost it because I won’t vote Labour? Prime example of hard left thinking there!

Given your answer, defo, as i never even mentioned voting intentions, just that Lab aren't hard left (did you bother to listen to Reeves speech?) backed by Mark Carney and many other big business leaders.... hardly Trotskyist is she?

and neither did they bankrupt the country... but you just keep telling porkies if thats what floats your boat.

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 19:10

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 19:02

Given your answer, defo, as i never even mentioned voting intentions, just that Lab aren't hard left (did you bother to listen to Reeves speech?) backed by Mark Carney and many other big business leaders.... hardly Trotskyist is she?

and neither did they bankrupt the country... but you just keep telling porkies if thats what floats your boat.

Are you ok? Have you read any of my posts before going in off the deep end? To be honest, anyone who holds up Mark Carney as a bastion of economic responsibility shouldn’t be given much credit.

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 19:11

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 17:51

I’ve lost it because I won’t vote Labour? Prime example of hard left thinking there!

You know perfectly well that isn’t what she said. How about your fictitious belief that Labour bankrupted the country when it left the economy in a considerably better fiscal state than it is now?

verdantverdure · 09/10/2023 19:13

There's no obligation to vote for the betterment of our people or our country.

Or even logically, in accordance with the facts, reality and the evidence of our own eyes.

If people want more shit on beaches, demented mini budgets that put £500 a month on our mortgage payments, some of the highest electricity bills in the world, record NHS waiting lists, and crumbling concrete above schoolchildren's heads then they are at perfect liberty to vote for the Tories again.

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 19:33

verdantverdure
beaches

Labour haven't got a great track on beaches or water quality:

April 2009 - British beach litter levels highest on record
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/08/beach-litter-record-levels-mcs
June 2009 - UK beaches set for clean-up following damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/jun/11/beach-clean-up-europe
September 2009 - Panorama
Britain's Dirty Beaches
Sand, sea and sewage. With the quality of bathing water on the UK's beaches in decline...
https://www.sas.org.uk/updates/bbc-panorama-britains-dirty-beaches-part-1/
October 2009 - UK faces European court for allowing raw sewage to enter Thames
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/09/river-thames-pollution-european-union

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 19:40

verdantverdure
some of the highest electricity bills in the world

Labour don't look great here either:

As of July 2008, UK gas prices are around 16% higher than in continental Europe and UK electricity prices are around 38% higher than in Germany on a year-ahead basis

https://www.packagingnews.co.uk/news/business/uk-hit-hard-by-high-energy-prices-14-07-2008

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 19:51

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 19:10

Are you ok? Have you read any of my posts before going in off the deep end? To be honest, anyone who holds up Mark Carney as a bastion of economic responsibility shouldn’t be given much credit.

You ve certainly lost me now, Mark Carney is acknowledged as a world leading economist, former BOE chair, appointed by George Osbourne, that well known Stalinist... which rubbishes your ridiculous assertion that Lab are hard left....
Maybe ask Luciana Berger (exMP) who has accepted Starmers apology and has re joined the LPP and put up a very good defence of Labour and antisemitism.

Yes i am fine though my sides are achy from laughing at some of the posts on here.

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 19:54

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 19:40

verdantverdure
some of the highest electricity bills in the world

Labour don't look great here either:

As of July 2008, UK gas prices are around 16% higher than in continental Europe and UK electricity prices are around 38% higher than in Germany on a year-ahead basis

https://www.packagingnews.co.uk/news/business/uk-hit-hard-by-high-energy-prices-14-07-2008

Good point Clav, so why haven't the Tories righted this injustice? after all they ve had 13 years to do so......

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 20:06

A rather more credible source

Financial Times
PFI projects to 'stay off the books'

12 May 2009 — Many private finance initiative projects are to remain, in effect, off the government's balance sheet...

https://www.ft.com/content/143664c4-3f4a-11de-ae4f-00144feabdc0

Readable version of the same article here...
The decision means that hospitals, clinics, schools, waste and local projects can continue to be built under PFI without counting against the government's capital expenditure totals.

With public sector capital spending set to halve in cash terms after 2011, that will come as a considerable relief to public bodies.

They face seeing capital expenditure drop from £44bn this year to a mere £22bn a year in 2013-14, a reduction that would have had an even bigger impact if the billions of pounds of PFIs and PPPs that are in the pipeline had to count within that.
https://www.propertyweek.com/news/pfi-schemes-to-stay-off-the-books/3140353.article

The Guardian 2010
The cost and inflexibility of PFI is an outrage, a racket, the legacy of 13 years of New Labour appeasement, triangulation and false accounting;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/nov/22/pfi-private-finance-refuse-debt

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 20:22

Alexandra2001
Corbyn was rightly expelled from the Labour party, not even a Lab MP

It was just mentioned on LBC that Jeremy Corbyn is still a member of the Labour Party - I've found confirmation here;

^Mr Corbyn’s Labour membership was restored in 2020, but not the party whip
– without which he cannot be the candidate in his Islington North seat at the next general election.^

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-nato-starmer-b2064271.html

8 October 2023
Sir Keir Starmer refused to suspend an MP who backed a campaign group that responded to the Hamas attack by launching a protest against the Israeli embassy.
Apsana Begum, a supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, was photographed posing with the Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) at the Labour conference after it had announced plans for the event.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/08/starmer-refuses-suspend-apsana-begum-palestine-campaign/

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 20:23

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 20:06

A rather more credible source

Financial Times
PFI projects to 'stay off the books'

12 May 2009 — Many private finance initiative projects are to remain, in effect, off the government's balance sheet...

https://www.ft.com/content/143664c4-3f4a-11de-ae4f-00144feabdc0

Readable version of the same article here...
The decision means that hospitals, clinics, schools, waste and local projects can continue to be built under PFI without counting against the government's capital expenditure totals.

With public sector capital spending set to halve in cash terms after 2011, that will come as a considerable relief to public bodies.

They face seeing capital expenditure drop from £44bn this year to a mere £22bn a year in 2013-14, a reduction that would have had an even bigger impact if the billions of pounds of PFIs and PPPs that are in the pipeline had to count within that.
https://www.propertyweek.com/news/pfi-schemes-to-stay-off-the-books/3140353.article

The Guardian 2010
The cost and inflexibility of PFI is an outrage, a racket, the legacy of 13 years of New Labour appeasement, triangulation and false accounting;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/nov/22/pfi-private-finance-refuse-debt

Highest national debt for over 60 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/21/uk-government-debt-above-100-per-cent-of-gdp-first-time-since-1961

UK government debt rises above 100% of GDP for first time since 1961

In blow to Rishi Sunak’s plans to cut taxes before general election, net debt reached £2.6tn at of end of May

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/21/uk-government-debt-above-100-per-cent-of-gdp-first-time-since-1961

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:24

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 19:11

You know perfectly well that isn’t what she said. How about your fictitious belief that Labour bankrupted the country when it left the economy in a considerably better fiscal state than it is now?

I never said they bankrupted the country. They will if they get in. No plans for growth at all. Quite the opposite. State dependency highest on record - sure to go well. We are literally the definition of bankrupt now; not enough coming in to pay our outgoings,

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:27

Alexandra2001 · 09/10/2023 19:51

You ve certainly lost me now, Mark Carney is acknowledged as a world leading economist, former BOE chair, appointed by George Osbourne, that well known Stalinist... which rubbishes your ridiculous assertion that Lab are hard left....
Maybe ask Luciana Berger (exMP) who has accepted Starmers apology and has re joined the LPP and put up a very good defence of Labour and antisemitism.

Yes i am fine though my sides are achy from laughing at some of the posts on here.

Is he now? He has led to a lot of the problems. The B of E as a whole have. Can’t stand Labour, they showed who they were. Can’t stand the Tories either. None of them have a clue how to get us out of the hole that is an old population, pensions we can’t afford and the majority paying 0 towards society.

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 20:28

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:24

I never said they bankrupted the country. They will if they get in. No plans for growth at all. Quite the opposite. State dependency highest on record - sure to go well. We are literally the definition of bankrupt now; not enough coming in to pay our outgoings,

You said Bankrupting the country aside. Not exactly clear, is it? They can’t bankrupt the country in the future, Truss has already done it.

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:28

Highest state dependency on record too. Literally borrowing the pay the welfare, pensions and state bill. Labour’s plan is to scare those off who actually still contribute and are productive. Amazing.

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:30

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 20:28

You said Bankrupting the country aside. Not exactly clear, is it? They can’t bankrupt the country in the future, Truss has already done it.

I can’t help that people want to put words into other mouths. Glad to see you finally acknowledging the debt burden though. Links to pensions nicely.

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 20:30

Princessandthepea0 · 07/10/2023 22:50

Yes it does. However higher rate payers already pay some of the highest taxes in the world. The problem is no-one else does. You can’t raise more taxes when the majority of the population aren’t paying in. If you want a system like in other countries then other people have to do their bit. I’m leaving because of both; easy to say you’re happy to pay more when you aren’t paying 70% marginals.

Not sure where you’re getting this idea we have the highest tax rates.

While UK taxes are higher than in most other English-speaking developed economies (such as Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and the United States), they are considerably lower than in most other western European countries (average tax revenue amongst the EU14.

As for school fees. The cost of educating a child in a state school is about £7k while the tax subsidy that a private school child gets is about £8k.

I realise that the idea of a state school in a failing area is horrifying to some but regardless of that, why should the poor subsidise the rich to receive a better education.

With regards to the majority of adults claiming benefits, it’s true but 12 million of them are pensioners. In work poverty is a real thing and tax credits are a way for the government to subsidise employers paying poor wages. A better way would be a rise in minimum wages.

The tories have pursued trickle down economics for the last 13 years and we have paid for it with austerity and it’s nonsense. The idea that tax cuts for the wealthy would lead to an increase in investment is nonsense. Unless they are compelled to invest they’ll simply squirrel the tax away.

The only credible way out of recession is a Roosevelt style new deal. You borrow to fund infrastructure investment. Schools, roads bridges, internet etc. Austerity cuts suppress the flow of money in the economy and cause uncertainty amongst the working population who rein in their spending leading to less money in the economy.

There is a fairly good argument that if you want to inject cash into the economy you stick it in at the bottom end anc hope it trickles up. If you give a poor family an extra £50 then they’ll go straight round to Tesco and spend it.

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 20:32

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:28

Highest state dependency on record too. Literally borrowing the pay the welfare, pensions and state bill. Labour’s plan is to scare those off who actually still contribute and are productive. Amazing.

Edited

And which party was in power when state dependency became the highest on record? And what are they doing about it? Business isn’t scared of Labour. Quite the reverse.

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/city-support-for-labour-grows-the-tory-party-is-no-longer-the-voice-it-once-was-for-business-20230217

City support for Labour grows: ‘The Tory party is no longer the voice it once was for business’

The City views the government as 'not listening and dysfunctional' according to some financial services leaders

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/city-support-for-labour-grows-the-tory-party-is-no-longer-the-voice-it-once-was-for-business-20230217

Princessandthepea0 · 09/10/2023 20:34

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 20:30

Not sure where you’re getting this idea we have the highest tax rates.

While UK taxes are higher than in most other English-speaking developed economies (such as Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and the United States), they are considerably lower than in most other western European countries (average tax revenue amongst the EU14.

As for school fees. The cost of educating a child in a state school is about £7k while the tax subsidy that a private school child gets is about £8k.

I realise that the idea of a state school in a failing area is horrifying to some but regardless of that, why should the poor subsidise the rich to receive a better education.

With regards to the majority of adults claiming benefits, it’s true but 12 million of them are pensioners. In work poverty is a real thing and tax credits are a way for the government to subsidise employers paying poor wages. A better way would be a rise in minimum wages.

The tories have pursued trickle down economics for the last 13 years and we have paid for it with austerity and it’s nonsense. The idea that tax cuts for the wealthy would lead to an increase in investment is nonsense. Unless they are compelled to invest they’ll simply squirrel the tax away.

The only credible way out of recession is a Roosevelt style new deal. You borrow to fund infrastructure investment. Schools, roads bridges, internet etc. Austerity cuts suppress the flow of money in the economy and cause uncertainty amongst the working population who rein in their spending leading to less money in the economy.

There is a fairly good argument that if you want to inject cash into the economy you stick it in at the bottom end anc hope it trickles up. If you give a poor family an extra £50 then they’ll go straight round to Tesco and spend it.

That’s because or lowest rate or basic rate is one of the lowest. Higher rate tax payers hit marginals of 70% at 50k and 100k. Over 100% at 100k if they have children. Compared to other rate countries we have a huge population whom are unproductive, on low tax rates if at all. Pensions are a huge problem as ar e the people not working.

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