Page 22 | Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea.

beachcitygirl · 2022-02-27T02:22:38+00:00

Just that really. Sociopathic Patel refusing visas. In a time where we need leadership & empathy & intelligence there's a ducking idiot at the helm & Rees~Mogg making a fortune with insider trading. Who the hell will admit to being so sociopathically selffish & grabby to still vote Tory?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 09/10/2023 13:42

LadyGrinningSoul85 · 09/10/2023 12:06

Because there are too many transphobic, benefit bashing (but rich people tax dodging is fine 👍), immigrant hating, Daily Mail reading, generally old and living in their own bought home (that they paid about 30k for years ago and then tell us we just need to give up avocado and mobile phones and we'll be able to afford our own (10x the price) homes too!) stuck in their ways folk about and they all seem to vote Tory.

My mum is one of them. Had 5 kids and bought her council home for 30k, would have berated any person that voted tory as it made her life harder as a result but is now A tory voter that likes to berate me over my own large family, if I point out the fact she also had one I get "but we owned our own home" ( if they were still 30k, so could I mum! And don't go on about inflation, its still a lot harder nowadays to own one, or even get social housing!), immigrants are evil and she thinks the daily mail is the font of all knowledge.

I have a trans son. The blatant attempts to incite hatred against the trans community and the anti Labour propaganda that I see in the rags every day in the run up to an election, make me so angry and so disappointed that people are really that gormless and stupid that they lap it all up, every damn time.

I genuinely can't wait until the next generation start to outnumber them.
They don't give a fuck about anyone other than themselves and their money.

Yesterday I stood in a group surrounded by a mob of huge men shrieking 'nazi terf cunts' at women who just wanted to speak about themselves, something that's probably going to become a Labour conference tradition. Tell me again who's inciting hatred.

Katypp · 09/10/2023 13:44

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 13:31

I think I get blind-sided by all the 'i did support Labour, but now...'

nah, did you bollocks.

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Sorry, can you explain what you mean? I'm not following you

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 09/10/2023 13:46

Yesterday I stood in a group surrounded by a mob of huge men shrieking 'nazi terf cunts' at women who just wanted to speak about themselves, something that's probably going to become a Labour conference tradition. Tell me again who's inciting hatred.

Yep.

Transphobia is attributed to anyone who doesn't deny biological reality. It's meaningless now.

MarshaBradyo · 09/10/2023 13:46

SerendipityJane · 09/10/2023 13:40

The truth is that it doesn't really take many people to switch because we have FPTP.

It would only have taken 50,000 people to have voted differently in 2019 to have give us a Labour majority.

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If you are correct I assume similar for Blair majority

@Alltheprettyseahorses that is so bad.

Katypp · 09/10/2023 13:47

LadyGrinningSoul85 · 09/10/2023 12:06

Because there are too many transphobic, benefit bashing (but rich people tax dodging is fine 👍), immigrant hating, Daily Mail reading, generally old and living in their own bought home (that they paid about 30k for years ago and then tell us we just need to give up avocado and mobile phones and we'll be able to afford our own (10x the price) homes too!) stuck in their ways folk about and they all seem to vote Tory.

My mum is one of them. Had 5 kids and bought her council home for 30k, would have berated any person that voted tory as it made her life harder as a result but is now A tory voter that likes to berate me over my own large family, if I point out the fact she also had one I get "but we owned our own home" ( if they were still 30k, so could I mum! And don't go on about inflation, its still a lot harder nowadays to own one, or even get social housing!), immigrants are evil and she thinks the daily mail is the font of all knowledge.

I have a trans son. The blatant attempts to incite hatred against the trans community and the anti Labour propaganda that I see in the rags every day in the run up to an election, make me so angry and so disappointed that people are really that gormless and stupid that they lap it all up, every damn time.

I genuinely can't wait until the next generation start to outnumber them.
They don't give a fuck about anyone other than themselves and their money.

And this would all change under Labour - how exactly?

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 13:50

Katypp · 09/10/2023 13:44

Sorry, can you explain what you mean? I'm not following you

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I mean, I think I over estimate the impact that voters, voting conservative over this issue, will have. because a lot of them say 'i used to vote Labour', 'i would have voted Labour'

the reality is probably that they wouldn't have voted Labour', anywayy

Katypp · 09/10/2023 13:54

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 13:36

To be fair, you’re right about a lack of clarity in labour policies but it’s obvious why. Every time labour reveals a new policy, the press have a free pass to take multiple shots at it until they can find a technique to discredit it. Even if they use exaggeration and dubious methods to do so. Perfectly legitimate in a democracy but it’s also perfectly legitimate to keep your plans close to your chest, reveal them in a run up to an election and give a right leaning press less time to think up techniques to rip apart policy.

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Fair point, but as a right-leaning voter who is looking for an alternative for my vote next time, this constant narrative of 'yes but the Tories are awful' does nothing for me whatsoever. Every time a Labour politician is interviewed, they bat every question back to how the Tories are getting it wrong but always Always refuse to elaborate what they would do to put things right. I appreciate they want to keep things close to their chest, but for a non-natural Labour voter like me, if just looks like they are evading the question and slipping back into their comfort zone of laying into the opposition with no real answers themselves.

SerendipityJane · 09/10/2023 14:02

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 13:50

I mean, I think I over estimate the impact that voters, voting conservative over this issue, will have. because a lot of them say 'i used to vote Labour', 'i would have voted Labour'

the reality is probably that they wouldn't have voted Labour', anywayy

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1 in 3 don't vote. Use that figure how you will. But it means a lot of people who talk about voting are doing so hypothetically.

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 14:05

Except the party is not the Tory party anymore. There is no harm in voting for a right leaning party in a general election. The tories have morphed into UKIP. Their current tactics are wedge politics. Instead of concentrating on policies that they believe will give a positive outcome, they are looking at issues that can be used to alienate the opposition. Refugees, trans people, benefit claimants. All important issues but instead of coming up with coherent policies, they spend their time talking about the opposition’s approach to these issues.

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 14:05

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 13:31

I think I get blind-sided by all the 'i did support Labour, but now...'

nah, did you bollocks.

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Well, I have in my time been a fully paid up member of the Labour Party. I have voted, labour, Tory, green and Lib Dem at various points. ATM the only party who could get my vote is the Tories.

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 14:11

Katypp · 09/10/2023 13:54

Fair point, but as a right-leaning voter who is looking for an alternative for my vote next time, this constant narrative of 'yes but the Tories are awful' does nothing for me whatsoever. Every time a Labour politician is interviewed, they bat every question back to how the Tories are getting it wrong but always Always refuse to elaborate what they would do to put things right. I appreciate they want to keep things close to their chest, but for a non-natural Labour voter like me, if just looks like they are evading the question and slipping back into their comfort zone of laying into the opposition with no real answers themselves.

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I sympathise, but this is hardly confined to Labour, is it? Rishi and his mates have even started making up "Labour" policies to oppose. It's a sad state of affairs on both sides of the debate when all they can say is "we may be shit, but we aren't as shit as them"

MarshaBradyo · 09/10/2023 14:22

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 14:05

Well, I have in my time been a fully paid up member of the Labour Party. I have voted, labour, Tory, green and Lib Dem at various points. ATM the only party who could get my vote is the Tories.

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I’m not sure why this is hard to believe by pp

Loads of people don’t just stick to one party at every GE

Katypp · 09/10/2023 14:25

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 14:11

I sympathise, but this is hardly confined to Labour, is it? Rishi and his mates have even started making up "Labour" policies to oppose. It's a sad state of affairs on both sides of the debate when all they can say is "we may be shit, but we aren't as shit as them"

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Agreed. For the first time in my voting life, I am considering not voting Conservative.
But then I hear Angela Raynor ranting about the Tories to fill time so she doesn't have to address Labour's plans and then read some of the responses on here about how thick, self-serving, rich and generally awful I am, it doesn't make me think Labour is for me at all.
If some Labour supporters actually took the time to listen and debate sensibly without assuming they are right and I am thick, they might engage me.
As it is, no way

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 14:28

SerendipityJane · 09/10/2023 14:02

1 in 3 don't vote. Use that figure how you will. But it means a lot of people who talk about voting are doing so hypothetically.

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Excellent point - add in the numbers of people who's votes don't count because they are voting for the losers in a safe seat, and it becomes clear just how few people actually determine the outcome of UK elections.

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 14:33

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 14:05

Well, I have in my time been a fully paid up member of the Labour Party. I have voted, labour, Tory, green and Lib Dem at various points. ATM the only party who could get my vote is the Tories.

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which is the point I was making. you probably weren't going to vote Labour anyway. I'm here thinking that all of youse have always voted Labour', but 'not any more'. when really it's 'not this time' (again)

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 14:34

Katypp · 09/10/2023 14:25

Agreed. For the first time in my voting life, I am considering not voting Conservative.
But then I hear Angela Raynor ranting about the Tories to fill time so she doesn't have to address Labour's plans and then read some of the responses on here about how thick, self-serving, rich and generally awful I am, it doesn't make me think Labour is for me at all.
If some Labour supporters actually took the time to listen and debate sensibly without assuming they are right and I am thick, they might engage me.
As it is, no way

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Well you could start by getting Angela Rayner's name right.
Neither main party is covering themselves in glory at present with positive policy ideas.
If you're considering not voting Tory, it really depends where you live as to whether it's even worth debating - as the loss of your vote will mean nothing to the Tories if, say, you are in Richmond which has been Tory since 1918.

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 14:36

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 14:33

which is the point I was making. you probably weren't going to vote Labour anyway. I'm here thinking that all of youse have always voted Labour', but 'not any more'. when really it's 'not this time' (again)

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Exactly - all these "I'm taking my bat home" posters are overestimating the importance of one person's claim of shifting allegiance.

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 14:47

Speedygonzales78 · 09/10/2023 06:55

Labour have done a really good job of wasting council funds, hiding what they've spent it on, lying to the public, fumbling around when asked to provide the information as to where all the money has gone and now we are about to lose 5 leisure centres.

So have Tory councils. We were Tory run until recently, we’ve never ever had five leisure centres.

Some recent local authority bankruptcies have come in the wake of financial scandals, including a disastrous property investment binge by Woking’s Tory council and a doomed borrowing spree at Tory-run Thurrock.

Thurrock council hid losses as it gambled millions on risky investments

Official report criticises Tory-run authority’s dysfunctional leadership and says it tried to silence critics

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/15/thurrock-council-hid-losses-gambled-millions-risky-investments

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 14:48

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 14:33

which is the point I was making. you probably weren't going to vote Labour anyway. I'm here thinking that all of youse have always voted Labour', but 'not any more'. when really it's 'not this time' (again)

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With the greatest of respect, I don’t think you’ve quite understood. Given the current policies and personalities I wouldn’t vote Labour. I have in the past and would in the future if they changed. If they came out and stated clearly they wouldn’t sacrifice up women’s rights and clearly stated what a woman was (and believed it). I might consider giving them my vote. As it is, they would not get my vote. This matter is make of break for me.

all other things being equal I th ink it’s good to circulate the government between the parties - but not at the moment, Labour need to show they are for women

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 14:58

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 13:25

I’m pretty sure the BBC were quoting a financial think tank today who said labours numbers just don’t add up te what they plan to put in their manifesto

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That’s odd because Mark Carney - previous governor of the Bank of England and Reeves’ former boss - says exactly the opposite.

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 15:06

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 14:58

That’s odd because Mark Carney - previous governor of the Bank of England and Reeves’ former boss - says exactly the opposite.

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If Mark Carney is supporting labours finances that tells me everything I need to know😂

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 15:12

It tells me everything I need to know too.

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 15:32

BIossomtoes
That’s odd because Mark Carney - previous governor of the Bank of England and Reeves’ former boss - says exactly the opposite

That's odd because Mark Carney was Governor of the Bank of England from July 2013 - March 2020 and Rachel Reeves left the Bank of England in December 2006, aged 27.

Reeves then went to work for Halifax Bank of Scotland (HBOS) (on the retail mortgages team) following which she became an MP in 2010, aged 31.

If the Bank of England is being run by 27 year old economists that might be where they are going wrong.

BIossomtoes · 09/10/2023 15:35

What no copy and paste Clav? Are you feeling well?

Clavinova · 09/10/2023 15:45

BIossomtoes

I'm feeling great, thanks.

Happy for you to provide alternative dates if you still think Mark Carney was Rachel Reeves' boss.