Page 21 | Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea.

beachcitygirl · 2022-02-27T02:22:38+00:00

Just that really. Sociopathic Patel refusing visas. In a time where we need leadership & empathy & intelligence there's a ducking idiot at the helm & Rees~Mogg making a fortune with insider trading. Who the hell will admit to being so sociopathically selffish & grabby to still vote Tory?

mrsbyers · 09/10/2023 12:03

I’ll be waiting to see what the manifesto commitments are and going from there , blindly voting baffles me

LadyGrinningSoul85 · 09/10/2023 12:06

Because there are too many transphobic, benefit bashing (but rich people tax dodging is fine 👍), immigrant hating, Daily Mail reading, generally old and living in their own bought home (that they paid about 30k for years ago and then tell us we just need to give up avocado and mobile phones and we'll be able to afford our own (10x the price) homes too!) stuck in their ways folk about and they all seem to vote Tory.

My mum is one of them. Had 5 kids and bought her council home for 30k, would have berated any person that voted tory as it made her life harder as a result but is now A tory voter that likes to berate me over my own large family, if I point out the fact she also had one I get "but we owned our own home" ( if they were still 30k, so could I mum! And don't go on about inflation, its still a lot harder nowadays to own one, or even get social housing!), immigrants are evil and she thinks the daily mail is the font of all knowledge.

I have a trans son. The blatant attempts to incite hatred against the trans community and the anti Labour propaganda that I see in the rags every day in the run up to an election, make me so angry and so disappointed that people are really that gormless and stupid that they lap it all up, every damn time.

I genuinely can't wait until the next generation start to outnumber them.
They don't give a fuck about anyone other than themselves and their money.

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 12:12

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 12:00

there will barely be any healthcare or education to argue about, if we stick with capitalism and conservative ideology

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So you would prefer to have it redesigned by a bunch of people who can’t understand basic biology (or willlfully ignore it)

The healthcare system needs a complete redesign - the NHS is a failed model that’s unworkable in the current world.

The education system needs a total shake up, we need to limit how many people it’s trying to serve. It needs to focus more on teaching academic snd technical subjects, rather than ideologies. parents need to be more responsible in teaching their kids the discipline needed to learn, help them, teach them to behave in classes. Then the education system would be a lot better.

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 12:30

we need to limit how many people it’s trying to serve

how are we going to do. that @OMG12 ? do you mean limit the number of children that people can have, like China?

MarshaBradyo · 09/10/2023 12:33

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 12:00

there will barely be any healthcare or education to argue about, if we stick with capitalism and conservative ideology

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The problem is more likely to be how do we cope with the size of the NHS. 1 in 11 will be employed by it by 2036

But on capitalism, are you wanting another system altogether? How would it work

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 13:01

The education system needs a total shake up, we need to limit how many people it’s trying to serve.
Aye, can't have the peasants getting an education and above themselves, can we?

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 13:02

Booklover40 · 07/10/2023 10:51

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Dint forget to add in the fact that Welsh tourism was down 33% last year.

But I’m sure that’s the fault of Westminster too.

Shock horror, downturn in tourism during a cost of living crisis? The Welsh government must have done something stupid like crash the econ….. oh hang, why did Liz Truss resign again?

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 13:03

All this ridiculous fearmongering about the "hard left" is hilarious when seen against a backdrop of a current Tory party which is an amalgam of BNP/National Front and UKIP.

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 13:06

All the moderate 'One Nation" Tories have been driven away.

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 13:10

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 13:03

All this ridiculous fearmongering about the "hard left" is hilarious when seen against a backdrop of a current Tory party which is an amalgam of BNP/National Front and UKIP.

exactly!

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 13:11

(@Fightyouforthatpie sorry, I just keep 'exactly'ing all your comments. I do have a brain, I promise)

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 13:15

Booklover40 · 06/10/2023 18:14

Not sure if you've heard about this, but when you're coming up to an election there are things called manifestos that the parties produce that tell us what their plans are. You might like to try that at the appropriate time.

Typical sneering leftie response. Labour voters get so upset by anyone who’s thinking doesn’t fall into line with theirs don’t they?

But yes, thanks for that. As I said, il wait. I doubt it’ll change anything though.

And Tory voters are famously open minded and liberal when it comes to other people’s views. If you don’t believe that 30p Lee will offer to take you round the back and give you a kicking.

verdantverdure · 09/10/2023 13:17

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/10/2023 13:03

All this ridiculous fearmongering about the "hard left" is hilarious when seen against a backdrop of a current Tory party which is an amalgam of BNP/National Front and UKIP.

I have a friend who calls that "projection."

She says it's very revealing and amusing. (She's American, talking about the Republicans, whom our Tory party now seems to be the same league as batshittery wise.)

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 13:22

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 12:30

we need to limit how many people it’s trying to serve

how are we going to do. that @OMG12 ? do you mean limit the number of children that people can have, like China?

Clearly this is will mainly be immigration - all the schools round is have bulge classes to cope with a large immigration from HK over the last couple of years.

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 13:23

Livelovebehappy · 07/10/2023 10:26

Because the alternative would be to have people like you in charge. People who won't accept that others are allowed different opinions, or they get cancelled. The only people on these threads who get verbally abusive and froth at the mouth that people dare to think for themselves the lefties. Others prefer to debate and discuss rationally. I respect other people's rights to hold their own opinion, whether it aligns with mine or not. And I'm not Tory BTW, just someone who has no party that represents me. I've no idea who to vote for at the next election, but I know it won't be labour.

Love the fact that tories bang on about cancel culture given the fact the majority of the papers are right leaning, the BBC keeps getting threatened with cuts unless they toe the Tory party line and cabinet ministers stand up at conference and make stuff up and complain about bias when it’s pointed out.

in order to get cancelled, you have to behave abominably.

Katypp · 09/10/2023 13:24

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 07:24

Actually, for women it should be. The ideology is saying, men’s rights are more important than women’s. Women have no right to dignity, to safe spaces, to accurate representation in statistics, including education, work snd health. Women can be locked up with a man. Women are shut down and undermined when it comes to dealing with traumas inflicted by men. Women are being told what to think and feel at the whims of men.

The attitude which underpins these things is misogyny. How long before we see that attitude and its implications transfer across society? Voting for anyone who believes in trans rights over women’s rights is voting for the downfall of women’s equality (what little we have) they are not the friends of women.

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If you honestly think this is the issue that people in the red wall constituencies are bothered about, you are utterly deluded.
I live in one, and I can honestly say in the many conversations I have had about politics since where I live returned a Tory MP for the first time ever, women's safe spaces and trans rights have never even been mentioned.
The whole issue is just not important with core Labour voters, regardless of whether it should be or not. It just isn't and will definitely not be a vote-loser next year.

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 13:25

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 13:15

And Tory voters are famously open minded and liberal when it comes to other people’s views. If you don’t believe that 30p Lee will offer to take you round the back and give you a kicking.

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I’m pretty sure the BBC were quoting a financial think tank today who said labours numbers just don’t add up te what they plan to put in their manifesto

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 13:26

Princessandthepea0 · 07/10/2023 12:16

Labour started it with their working tax credit. It’s the root of the systemic low wage, high dependency model.

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If it was such a bad idea and the Tories care so much about the poor, how come the caring tories haven’t reversed it?

OMG12 · 09/10/2023 13:28

Katypp · 09/10/2023 13:24

If you honestly think this is the issue that people in the red wall constituencies are bothered about, you are utterly deluded.
I live in one, and I can honestly say in the many conversations I have had about politics since where I live returned a Tory MP for the first time ever, women's safe spaces and trans rights have never even been mentioned.
The whole issue is just not important with core Labour voters, regardless of whether it should be or not. It just isn't and will definitely not be a vote-loser next year.

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It’s not about labour core voters though is it? It’s about swing voters

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 13:31

Katypp · 09/10/2023 13:24

If you honestly think this is the issue that people in the red wall constituencies are bothered about, you are utterly deluded.
I live in one, and I can honestly say in the many conversations I have had about politics since where I live returned a Tory MP for the first time ever, women's safe spaces and trans rights have never even been mentioned.
The whole issue is just not important with core Labour voters, regardless of whether it should be or not. It just isn't and will definitely not be a vote-loser next year.

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I think I get blind-sided by all the 'i did support Labour, but now...'

nah, did you bollocks.

MarshaBradyo · 09/10/2023 13:34

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 13:31

I think I get blind-sided by all the 'i did support Labour, but now...'

nah, did you bollocks.

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Loads of people switch. If they didn’t we wouldn’t get such big landslides

Just looking at numbers you’re going to get people who Labour in that landslide and Conservatives in Johnson’s

Corbyn didn’t get a good result so many probably did switch

travellinglighter · 09/10/2023 13:36

Katypp · 07/10/2023 15:06

So what Labour's plans then? I haven't got a clue. Every time they are interviewed they don't tell us. Angela Raynor was on the Today programme this morning, bitterly criticising the Goverment's housing policy but seemingly having no idea what Labour would do. Same with HS2 - criticism and hyperbole yet steadfastly refused to answer what Labour's plans would be.
It seems the main purpose of interviews are to line up the excuses as to why there will be no utopia if Labour gets in next year - the main one going 'we have no idea what state things are going to be kept in' - she said that at least four times.
Unfortunately it's very easy to criticise, but to be credible you need solutions and ideas, and as far as I can see, Labour have neither

To be fair, you’re right about a lack of clarity in labour policies but it’s obvious why. Every time labour reveals a new policy, the press have a free pass to take multiple shots at it until they can find a technique to discredit it. Even if they use exaggeration and dubious methods to do so. Perfectly legitimate in a democracy but it’s also perfectly legitimate to keep your plans close to your chest, reveal them in a run up to an election and give a right leaning press less time to think up techniques to rip apart policy.

CampsieGlamper · 09/10/2023 13:37

Re the NHS - if failing spectacularly in England, where the conservative party rule, but in Scotland, where is devil ed it's failing under the Scottish national party. I cannot speak for the Welsh experience under labour there. Northern Ireland health is shambolic - mind you noone in charge there. So the remedy is to look at how health services are delivered, from the top down.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 09/10/2023 13:39

MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 13:31

I think I get blind-sided by all the 'i did support Labour, but now...'

nah, did you bollocks.

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This may shock you but you don't have to vote for the same party at every election.

SerendipityJane · 09/10/2023 13:40

MarshaBradyo · 09/10/2023 13:34

Loads of people switch. If they didn’t we wouldn’t get such big landslides

Just looking at numbers you’re going to get people who Labour in that landslide and Conservatives in Johnson’s

Corbyn didn’t get a good result so many probably did switch

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The truth is that it doesn't really take many people to switch because we have FPTP.

It would only have taken 50,000 people to have voted differently in 2019 to have give us a Labour majority.