Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea.

[beachcitygirl]

Just that really. Sociopathic Patel refusing visas. In a time where we need leadership & empathy & intelligence there's a ducking idiot at the helm & Rees~Mogg making a fortune with insider trading.
Who the hell will admit to being so sociopathically selffish & grabby to still vote Tory?

There is no other viable option, they are the best of a frankly atrocious bunch. There NEEDS to be a huge shake up in British politics.

nicked from Twitter but agree with every word -

Keir Starmer - ‘Welsh Labour is the living proof of what Labour looks like in power. A blueprint for what Labour can do across the United Kingdom

🔸 NHS waiting lists worse than England
🔸 Educational outcomes worse than England
🔸 20mph speed limits - slowing the economy

🚂 Welsh Government took over the running of the railways - it operates Transport for Wales which has the worst customer satisfaction for train operators in the UK.

✈️ Welsh Government took over the running of Cardiff Airport. Despite relatively few flights, it was named among one of the worst for flight delays and the airport is now valued at around £15m - a third of what the Welsh Government paid.

💷 Analysis shows that the Welsh NHS may overspend by £800m by next spring and all health boards have been placed under higher levels of financial scrutiny.

🔐 During the pandemic, the blueprint for Welsh Labour lockdowns included telling shops to close certain aisles so customers visiting would feel safe.

🗳️ The Welsh Government now wants to increase the number of politicians in the Senedd by 60% despite a lack of public support. This is estimated to cost each year more than the free school meals the Government said they could no longer afford to provide to vulnerable children.

The bar is low, it’s unreal. The Tories are so bad that a bunch of weirdo misfits with 0 caliber are on track to take power from them. The terminal decline of this country has just been accelerated.

I agree with you but loads of people will come here trying to justify it. They will say nobody else is electable blah blah blah

I don’t know what made you believe that anyone has to justify who they vote for? They’re not ‘trying to justify’ as you arrogantly put it, they’re giving their own beliefs and reasons.

Because the alternative would be to have people like you in charge. People who won't accept that others are allowed different opinions, or they get cancelled. The only people on these threads who get verbally abusive and froth at the mouth that people dare to think for themselves the lefties. Others prefer to debate and discuss rationally. I respect other people's rights to hold their own opinion, whether it aligns with mine or not. And I'm not Tory BTW, just someone who has no party that represents me. I've no idea who to vote for at the next election, but I know it won't be labour.

The wealthy private school parents who don't want to pay fair taxes on their fees for starters. Though they’ll be on here claiming to be ‘ordinary, striving’ parents who ‘care’ about their kids education… like the rest of us don’t.

Potentially 40 million refugees?
So, increasing the UK population by 67%?! Feck right off and give your head a wobble.
The people who vote for Conservative right wing extremism are Tories and people who don't read the small or big print. There are lots of people like that unfortunately.

The wealthy private school parents who don't want to pay fair taxes on their fees for starters. Though they’ll be on here claiming to be ‘ordinary, striving’ parents who ‘care’ about their kids education… like the rest of us don’t.

You’d better hope the government allow private schools try to keep the children that are in them right where they are - what kind of mess would the country be in if half the parents suddenly can’t afford the school fees and have to move to state? Your comment, and so many others on threads like these remind me of these Churchill quotes:

“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.”

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

Do you live in Wales? I do - and we think the Welsh Government are doing a far better job than Westminster.

Transport for Wales is great, we have new modern trains, I've never had any delay issues and i use it all the time.

The Welsh NHS is underfunded by Westminster, the same as the rest of the NHS. Easy to blame the Welsh Government for mismanagement when simultaneously scuppering them with lack of funds.

The lockdowns in Wales made us feel safer than our friends in England. It was a time of awful uncertainty, no government got it perfectly right, but we always felt that our First Minister made difficult decisions in the interests of the people of Wales - can you really say the same for Boris Johnson's decisions?

The 20mph limit is a ridiculous dead cat that Wesminster are trying to beat Welsh Labour with. In reality, its a lowering of the speed limit, which local councils can opt out of or amend (the desperate lies about it being a blanket limit are just farcical), and it was implemented to save lives. Who doesn't want to see less children hit and killed by cars?

There is no Tory party anymore. They have morphed into UKIP. Farage is rejoining and looking for a safe seat after the next election with a view to running for the leadership. Or that’s what the press are saying. His level of corruption is on almost on another level to the Tory fast lane.

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FrankUnderhand

Dint forget to add in the fact that Welsh tourism was down 33% last year.

But I’m sure that’s the fault of Westminster too.

Booklover40

And tourism was down 22% in England, 26% in London, so by your logic that drop would be Westminster's fault, right? Apparently it's largely due to the cost of living crisis and people taking fewer holidays. Numbers went up in Scotland, so I await your praise for the SNP's success.

I don’t live wales but a lot of family do and are very disenfranchised with Labour. I won’t be voting for either party and will be spring my ballot if I’m still here come the next election.

I will however be very interested to watch what happens if Labour do come go power and to read the threads of disappointment here as the UK does not magically become a utopia overnight with the magic money tree bestowing untold billions for the nhs, schools and social housing. Not to mention the additional funds to allow for more benefits.

What is the other option? Seriously. Never voted Tory but I won’t vote Labour. Our country has no money. Taxed the contributors so much they have left or changed economic behaviour. A country where we are now a majority of state dependents. We are borrowing billions everyday to fund the basics in this country. Labour’s plan is to piss off the minority of remaining contributors. Can’t wait to see how the magic money tree works then.

Why would you want to keep in power the party that has brought this state of affairs about? They inherited a relatively healthy economy from Labour, and frankly I trust Labour way more with the economy than I do the Conservatives.

The Tories are not ideal but there is absolutely no other party that I could currently vote for.

I'm really concerned as to what is going to happen to women and children if Labour get in. Also concerned as to what will happen to our country.

No way would I vote Tory.

The problem is that there is no other party either that is not absolutely batshit.

Politically homeless for the foreseeable future.

I know. Labour will try to lift women and children out of poverty. Could be terrible.

It's been so encouraging watching more and more children go to school hungry. It'd be terrible for the country if Labour got the chance to reverse this.

Labour started it with their working tax credit. It’s the root of the systemic low wage, high dependency model.

Of course no one wants that. However how are they paying for it? We are already borrowing to pay for the state. The Tories have managed to tax everyone so much - the contributors are leaving - resulting in the highest state dependency on record.

Labour’s plan is to tax the contributors who are being bled dry more. Some people are paying marginals of 70% see the issue?

Yes to this

@Whereforartthoudave
I agree no private school parent is going to vote for a party which will cost then tens of thousands of pounds - I’m not sure anyone would vote for a party who has promised to make policy changes which would directly cost them so much money in a way which would be detrimental to their children.

But I think for people who are right leaning there is also an ideological opposition to the state having a monopoly on education. It’s the government saying that they should have absolute control over what children are taught. Some find that quite sinister.

And the other ideological issue which comes out of this policy is that labour is so obsessed with equality that it will level down to get it.

I think many people on the left just don’t see these as issues whereas they go to the heart of a liberal right leaning belief system.

It is also that labour has a tendency to completely alienate certain groups. They give the impression that they hold higher rate tax payers, business people, anyone with children at private school, etc. in absolute contempt, as if they have done something wrong for being in one of those categories.

I say this as someone who won’t vote conservative because I have ethical issues with their immigration policy.

@Princessandthepea0 you know that's not labour's plan.

They'll save loads of money by not giving duff contracts to wealthy friends, handing over loads of dosh for nothing a secure job once they lose their seats.

Very well articulated Circe7

The Tories have raised taxes so high.

Because they have a no growth strategy. They've cut and cut and cut us virtually into recession.

We need a change, not more Tory failure. They've fucked everything - we can all see it every time we leave our homes.