Is the UK in danger from Russia?

[hereforalongtimenotagoodtime]

Keep receiving conflicting information. I am sick to my stomach and quite simply hate the unknown. So a simple question - is it likely that the UK will be in danger from Russia? And if so what does that look like? Cyber attacks, bombs being dropped?

Were the Russians not already involved in the manipulation of British politics leading up to Brexit? That's the type of harm they want to cause - destabilising the EU so we bicker, hampering our solidarity.

They're playing the long game. Russia doesn't want to invade the EU or trade nukes with the US - the NordStream pipelines are their cash stream and would be the first thing to go. That's why they timed their escalation so carefully alongside the completion of NordStream 2. Ukraine was crying out about it. Putin wants the glory days back, just like Hitler wanted to recover what 'German' territories were lost to the Allies after WWI.

What will be curious to see is the stance countries like Turkey, with its massive, strong military, weapons factories and divided loyalties, take...

It's so infuriating that one megalomaniac at the helm of a small group of megalomaniac supporters can do so much damage. I remember back in 2010 or so, working in tourism, everyone was hyper about the Russian market opening up and Russian tourists arriving to Europe in troves. I loved them. Curious, happy people with a cutting sense of humour. It was such a positive time.

@ChristmasCurry

If Russia nuked the UK, our six nuclear subs would destroy every major city they had.

And all our NATO allies would be sending their nuclear warheads to Russia too.

Anyone remember claig?

His attack could of been prevented months ago if the West has stated and flown troops into Ukraine. We are responsible for failing to protect them and it will have dire consequences

Very true, many in Parliament have been calling for this, inc leading Tories.

Regarding the EU - if I was in Poland or had family there I’d be very worried right now

If Poland is invaded, its not just the EU's problem, we are in a full blown European war OR we step back and let Russia take all the ex Soviet states.

@Tealightsandd

If not Russia, there's Long Covid. Despite rumours to the contrary that threat has not gone away.

Is there no thread you won't try to shoehorn covid into?

thegoldenone

Valhalla17

If Boris keeps making threats then it's highly likely we will be nuked

This is what I'm thinking

Then you need to think again. I am 99.99% certain this won't happen.

People really need to calm down. What is happening is terrible, but scaremongering is not going to help the Ukranians.

@Tealightsandd

OP asked about danger to the UK.

Covid and Long Covid is a major danger to the UK.

Danger from Putin ffs, not Covid.

@ClaudineClare

i dont imagine you can persuade people to calm down

Putin does not speak for many Russians

I have 2 main concerns for the UK:

A) the accidental shelling of one of Ukraine nuclear reactors causing a radiation cloud over Europe.

B) the economic implications of high energy prices and grain prices. There are predictions the price cap could now go up to £3000 in October. Russia and the Ukraine produce a quarter of the world's wheat.

@Aposterhasnoname

Aww...and here comes back the nasty bully with the attempt of virtue signalling. I'm not the only person here who has mentioned nukes.

Frightening to read on wakening up this morning about Russian troops at Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Awful.

@ClaudineClare
I'm perfectly calm but being part Japanese means that I understand that anything can happen in these situations. Putin has clearly been planning this for some time.

[quote Valhalla17]@ClaudineClare
I'm perfectly calm but being part Japanese means that I understand that anything can happen in these situations. Putin has clearly been planning this for some time.[/quote]
The terrible attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a very long time ago and the world was a very different place. There have been countless wars since, yet no country has ever used nuclear weapons again. Russia is not going to nuke the UK or anywhere else.

I honestly don't think anyone can predict it. I certainly would have no confidence in predicting any outcomes.

There is short term and long term. In the short term, staying out of it may lessen risk of immediate retaliation. But long term? This means Putin knows he can ride roughshod over the largest country in Europe and the West largely sits back and watches. What message does this send? I have heard people say, oh well he is likely to stop at Ukraine. Why though? Nothing he has done so far has shown any form of restraint, why would we expect him to exercise restraint in the future?

I am always dubious about anyone who gives opinions on this type of stuff with unwavering certainty, how can they possibly know?

I sort of agree that there is little point worrying as it is completely out of our control.

The worst thing I read was that all the actual possible outcomes from this are ALL shit.

I don’t understand why they want Chernobyl? Am I being dense and missing something?

@sst1234
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@sst1234

The level of debate on here about international affairs is like year 5s in the playground. Some of the stuff people are coming out with is just bizarre. It’s like this is the first international conflict that they have heard about. Considering that sadly there are least 3-4 cross border conflicts going in the world at any one time.

Rather scary comment on the level of education isn't it. Couple of really good posts on the thread though.

@Valhalla17

If Boris keeps making threats then it's highly likely we will be nuked.

This is beyond nonsense.

The 'threats' Boris is making are in line with the rest of the international community and are completely expected.

Putin is only interested in Ukraine, there is no way the UK will send troops or get nuked.

Possibly cyber attack. Fuel prices will rocket

I guess on the positive side, more knowledgable posters will be able to inform those who know less. Not everyone keeps up with world affairs. They can be complicated and hard to understand. Have some compassion for others and help them try to get their heads around the current situation.

We should not forget the UK and EU are directly responsible for giving Putin the ability to fund this aggression against Ukraine.
For decades we've made ourselves dependent on Russian gas supplies, especially the likes of Germany, who's behaviour has been frankly disgusting, essentially vetoing kicking Russia out of the SWIFT payment system.
Just a few years ago Trump was calling out EU NATO members on exactly this point, cutting back their own spending to the point the German army was armed with broomsticks instead of rifles, should paying billions for Russian gas, all while expecting to be protected by the Americans.
The real problem for Western Europe now, is how long their people will tolerate the sky high inflation and possibly even rolling blackouts and food/fuel rationing.
I can easily see the like likes of Macron and Boris dragged from office and swinging from lamp posts long before Putin is deposed.
Our politicians have betrayed us for decades, accepting corrupt russian money invested in London, while outsourcing our energy security. They should be held to account and not be allowed to posture as the good guys.