Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

An outdated term nobody uses anymore... If you're offended by trolley dolly, I don't know what to tell you to be honest.

Here's some other well known DQ names

Trixie Mattel
Katya Zamo
Bob the drag queen
Violet Tchotsky (was pictured earlier in thread)
Rose
Simone
Gigi Goode
Ben dela creme
Gottmik (an f to m trans person)

One daft term doesn't represent all drag queens

From the article:

‘queerness’ is not a concept that is relevant to any child in any functioning school that correctly follows non-discriminatory, non-sexist policies. Drag is a form of adult entertainment, and as such can never be appropriate for the age, developmental stage, or background of pupils.

@WarriorN

Any drag queen themed thing in schools excludes girls.

Does it? Rupaul’s fans include a huge number of women.

A DQ reading in a school isn't the same as a DQ performing in a club for adults. Why are drag shows seedy?

@WarriorN

Most reception and nursery classes have a Shed load of sparky Elsa dresses that the boys can wear.

Yes which they're scared to wear because they think (with good reason from my experience) that they'll be laughed at.

I look forward to your knowledge organiser about drag queens binty.

And this!:

Whilst adult performers may experience a certain rush when rules are broken, children’s boundaries should remain stable until they reach developmental milestones and need to be able to safely navigate through new situations. Encouraging children to break the rules at such an early age is, therefore, an abuse of trust and an abrogation of responsibility, especially towards neurologically divergent children who may have extra difficulties departing from rules.

The chances of your arse falling out of your clothes is greatly increased when you’re not really wearing any

Probably the most educational lesson any child will learn from having a Drag Queen perform for them.

Does it? Rupaul’s fans include a huge number of women.

Fans yes.

They've had one woman.

A DQ reading in a school isn't the same as a DQ performing in a club for adults. Why are drag shows seedy?

Still, why? What's the learning intention and success criteria here?

Yes which they're scared to wear because they think (with good reason from my experience) that they'll be laughed at.

That's for the staff to challenge. If there laughing at that they're definitely stuck on the whole pink is for girls shite etc. It won't be dresses.

The majority of RPDR fans are women from what I'm aware. Are we all dummies not understanding that we're being mocked, or taking it for the fun that it is and not being so daft as to think men in drag are going out of their way to make women the butt of their jokes

Yes which they're scared to wear because they think (with good reason from my experience) that they'll be laughed at.

Not in our house; not in our school. Kids were encouraged to dress up in whatever they wanted, many did. If there's a problem with sexist stereotyping in a school, do you honestly think getting men in thongs and thigh-high leather boots is the way to combat it?

Lennyllama it's a crying shame we didn't have that piece from the Safer Schools Alliance earlier on the thread - I've rarely seen the whole thing so well put

The majority of RPDR fans are women from what I'm aware

Women, not girls.

So it's men taking centre stage and women watching.

@WarriorN

The majority of RPDR fans are women from what I'm aware

Women, not girls.

So it's men taking centre stage and women watching.

And your point is?

What is the learning here?

[quote Lennyllama]**@Squidgames4U* THIS is the outfit that was worn for most of the day. This is what the DQ was wearing for his performance and to read to the younger year groups. Including nursery and reception. The other (less revealing) outfit was only worn for the photo in front of the school. @Bintymcbintface* knows this as they have been told multiple times but refuse to acknowledge it.[/quote]
What a surprise

How can a non sexist, non discriminatory school fill that criteria if queerness isn't even mentioned? To be non discriminatory you'd have to acknowledge that gay/lesbian/trans etc exists and that it's ok

Another very salient bit from that Safer Schools Alliance piece: "The authors of the paper promote their decidedly adult idea that drag should “actively destabilize the normative function of schooling”"

Which says such a lot, not least about the agenda involved

Drag isn't those things.

I did acknowledge it, several times... Sparkly dress with a leotard underneath and big boots. So what?

@Bintymcbintface: Why are drag shows seedy?

Definition of seedy: Somewhat disreputable. Looking dirty. Unattractive.

Dolly Trolley: (see pic)

What is "queerness?"

I've not seen that on the curriculum.

OK so by that definition anything that's ugly is seedy... Oh shit... A suspect that covers a lot of us

Some seem to be missing the point that we don't need a good reason to exclude someone from speaking to a group of primary school children; we need a good reason to allow them to.

This this this.

We need a really good reason, and "the dress wasn't that see through anyway" does not cut it.

Some people have taken leave of their senses.

THEY DIDN'T DO THAT AT YOUR KIDS SCHOOL!!