Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

If it was a woman in a dress doing the exact same thing you'd all unclutch your pearls.

If a woman wore the same clothes, yes I would also complain. Because how is that dress inspiring to school students at all? And what would a woman be doing in that particular dress that was targeted at children?

That it is NOT a woman in that dress but a male in drag with all the negative inferences that come along with drag (not with males wearing dresses generally, but drag) makes this an even more obvious issue.

Rather interesting to fall back on the ‘if it was a woman’ trope. But there we go.

@ImWithBinty That’s just not true. Maybe for the younger children but my DC and their friends have all said they felt ‘weird’ about the visit. A friend’s DC said when the DQ bent over that half his undies went up his bum and they saw half a bum cheek. In what world is this acceptable in a primary school? How is it acceptable that someone paraded around their school in hooker boots with their arse hanging out making my kid and their friends feel weird and uncomfortable?!

My DC couldn’t explain exactly how they felt because it was a feeling they’ve never really felt before. And I’ll tell you why they’ve never felt it before, it’s because I’ve done everything I can to keep them away from anything sexually inappropriate for their age. I don’t appreciate a school making parental decisions for me. It’s wrong and the way they went about it was intentionally deceptive and underhanded.

Next week is world book day. We’ve been told that authors will be coming to read to the children. We’ve been told who the authors are and what books they’ll be promoting. Some year groups have even been sent chapters of the books via email so that parents can read over them to determine their suitability. They’ve done all of that for perfectly age appropriate books but they didn’t have the decency to let us know that an x-rated performer would be shoved down our kids throats as some kind of bloody role model?

I wonder if the school would let the gorgeous Ms Von Teese in to read to children? I'm guessing not. Even though there's not much difference in ensemble.

I'd see the empowering part as being, people say boys can't wear things like this, that pretty sparkly things are only for girls but look I'm a boy, I'm wearing it and that's OK.

What boundaries are being broken by a man in a dress dancing and reading stories? No sexual pun of a name, no inappropriate activities being done...

Who knows maybe today there was a woman in overalls talking about being a mechanic and showing kids different car parts or something?

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But I'll bet there wasn't. And anything other than extreme, fun examples are overlooked.

What if the cast of strictly was going to do a show at the school? Ballet dancers even. Similar outfits if not even more revealing and not really all that inspiring either

I had a look at the DQs socials.

'Image description: Dolly poses with hands on hips in front of a glowing and beautifully decorated Christmas tree. With bright green hair and red bows, her outfit is also a big red bow, tying her up like the present she is. It’s a bit skimpy, and leans towards the more scandalous side of Christmas.'

Is this the kind of thing girls are encouraged to aim for?

A performer whose bread and butter is performing for adults in a sexually suggestive show who can easily be googled by kids later is taking down boundaries.

Early in the story time debacle a tweet was issued then swiftly locked down supporting the idea of love having no age limit, a cheer often shouted by Minor Attracted People and their supporters such as Peter Tatchell.

[quote Lennyllama]@ImWithBinty That’s just not true. Maybe for the younger children but my DC and their friends have all said they felt ‘weird’ about the visit. A friend’s DC said when the DQ bent over that half his undies went up his bum and they saw half a bum cheek. In what world is this acceptable in a primary school? How is it acceptable that someone paraded around their school in hooker boots with their arse hanging out making my kid and their friends feel weird and uncomfortable?!

My DC couldn’t explain exactly how they felt because it was a feeling they’ve never really felt before. And I’ll tell you why they’ve never felt it before, it’s because I’ve done everything I can to keep them away from anything sexually inappropriate for their age. I don’t appreciate a school making parental decisions for me. It’s wrong and the way they went about it was intentionally deceptive and underhanded.

Next week is world book day. We’ve been told that authors will be coming to read to the children. We’ve been told who the authors are and what books they’ll be promoting. Some year groups have even been sent chapters of the books via email so that parents can read over them to determine their suitability. They’ve done all of that for perfectly age appropriate books but they didn’t have the decency to let us know that an x-rated performer would be shoved down our kids throats as some kind of bloody role model?[/quote]
I agree that it's not right that you weren't told as I think any change to the normal school day should be relayed to parents, parents should know what their DC are doing when in the care of someone else.

What did the DQ do that was sexually explicit as you haven't said in any of your other posts? Seeing half a bum cheek isn't "sexually explicit" but more of an accidental wardrobe malfunction which has probably happened in the school before

@DomesticatedZombie

I had a look at the DQs socials.

'Image description: Dolly poses with hands on hips in front of a glowing and beautifully decorated Christmas tree. With bright green hair and red bows, her outfit is also a big red bow, tying her up like the present she is. It’s a bit skimpy, and leans towards the more scandalous side of Christmas.'

Is this the kind of thing girls are encouraged to aim for?

No, not girls. Boys.

My sons would have been super excited and thrilled if a drag queen had come to their school!

Little kids shouldn't be online without parental controls and supervision. It is not the fault of the school or the performer if a kid goes onto their website, that's on the parents...

[quote Lennyllama]@ImWithBinty That’s just not true. Maybe for the younger children but my DC and their friends have all said they felt ‘weird’ about the visit. A friend’s DC said when the DQ bent over that half his undies went up his bum and they saw half a bum cheek. In what world is this acceptable in a primary school? How is it acceptable that someone paraded around their school in hooker boots with their arse hanging out making my kid and their friends feel weird and uncomfortable?!

My DC couldn’t explain exactly how they felt because it was a feeling they’ve never really felt before. And I’ll tell you why they’ve never felt it before, it’s because I’ve done everything I can to keep them away from anything sexually inappropriate for their age. I don’t appreciate a school making parental decisions for me. It’s wrong and the way they went about it was intentionally deceptive and underhanded.

Next week is world book day. We’ve been told that authors will be coming to read to the children. We’ve been told who the authors are and what books they’ll be promoting. Some year groups have even been sent chapters of the books via email so that parents can read over them to determine their suitability. They’ve done all of that for perfectly age appropriate books but they didn’t have the decency to let us know that an x-rated performer would be shoved down our kids throats as some kind of bloody role model?[/quote]
Intentionally deceptive and underhand?

So why do you suppose this was organised? I really really cannot believe it had bad intentions. Just doesn't make sense. What would the teachers be trying to achieve?

Maybe I'm missing the potential of it and the world of drag will indeed be the tool to tear down gender stereotypes, damaging representation of women and save society from toxic masculinity

I have no problems with drag. I am sure the DQ in question was lovely to the children and ment well. I do however have a problem with the outfits. You can be a drag queen without leather fetish wear and revealing sexy clothes. A dress more suitable to a school setting would have been a better choice. The DQ should have picked a more acceptable look. Patrick Swayze in drag in the movie "To wong foo" for example looks better than I do. Panto is drag but it is not sexy it is over the top and more storybook. This issue for me is not about a man wearing a dress. My concern is that a child might be groomed and shown porn with revealing outfits and leather fetish boots ect. Having someone wearing outfits like this is a school, a place that should be a place of safety makes what they are watching normal and acceptable. So for me this is a big safeguarding concern.

Ultimately the school did not inform the parents of this visit. Disregarding any cultural or religious objections the parents might have had. So rightly parents are upset.

Seeing half a bum cheek isn't "sexually explicit" but more of an accidental wardrobe malfunction which has probably happened in the school before

When?! When are children exposed to adults falling out of their clothes and this is no big deal?

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

Who knows maybe today there was a woman in overalls talking about being a mechanic and showing kids different car parts or something?

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But I'll bet there wasn't. And anything other than extreme, fun examples are overlooked.

Maybe she was talking about car parts in thigh boots and a see through dress? Cos that's totally normal in primary schools now.

No, not girls. Boys

Right. So what's in it for the girls?

@Lennyllama have the school responded to your e-mail?

'Remember, from this point on we are sophisticated, educated, successful career women. God, this underwear is totally riding up my butt crack

• Romy & Michelle’s High School Reunion

I call this week’s Drag Aerobics lewk, the itsy bitsy bikini, and skimpy as it may have been, it did the job of seeing us through faaabulous time at this Wednesday’s weekly Drag Aerobics Online. We added a new ABBA routine to our repertoire, Voulez-Vous? and danced the night away. I’ll try and wear a bit more than a few shreds of fishnet for next week’s class. Maybe.
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Image description: Dolly posing in her latest Drag Aerobics outfit, if you can call it that. She wears an itsy bitsy bikini, shorts and crop top, all made of white rhinestones fishnet, and with think long blonde hair. It’s possibly her skimpiest yet, so for goodness sake someone get this girl some clothes.'

Now seeing adults arses in schools is normal

Is there no shape you won't contort yourself in to, in order to prove that drag in schools is cool, and so are you?

Nobody fell out of their clothes, a hint of bum cheek was seen when they bent over. Ever been in PE? Gone outside on a windy day? Watched any kind of dance show? I'm not for a second saying that it's OK for anyone to deliberately expose themselves to anyone, especially children but a it's very naive to think such things don't happen from time to time accidentally with the person involved being totally unaware of it.

@DomesticatedZombie

Seeing half a bum cheek isn't "sexually explicit" but more of an accidental wardrobe malfunction which has probably happened in the school before

When?! When are children exposed to adults falling out of their clothes and this is no big deal?

Yeah! Behaviour that would get any teacher reprimanded is fine... as long as the arse not being covered is male, fits the PIE ideology, and is being somehow mould breaking.

I still have no idea how anyone can support any hyper sexualised behaviour in schools.

And yet it wouldn't have happened if the bloke had been dressed appropriately, ie like every other adult in school has to.

And so I ask again, why this man is not subject to the rules that others are?

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I'm not for a second saying that it's OK for anyone to deliberately expose themselves to anyone, especially children

So you think that it's wrong for adults to deliberately expose themselves to children. But wearing see through clothes is okay?