Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

@Squidgames4U

I've seen parents dressed WAY worse than that for school pick up! Only time there has been an issue was a mum, literally, in a strappy vest top and knickers!

Yeah I've seen a good few myself in crop tops and teeny tiny shorts and let's not forget the yummy mummies who rock up in their pj's and dressing gowns. But no, a man is wearing a dress so they must be a dodgy pervert 🙄

Is grayson Perry allowed?

@Endeavour1971

I don't understand the current drag queen obsession. They are everywhere! I find it to be insulting to women and utterly boring. Totally inappropriate to be inviting them into schools

Agreed 100%

It's crap entertainment anyway, but has no place in school at all.

But no, a man is wearing a dress so they must be a dodgy pervert

Another of those glib misrepresentations.

Keep going. You are making a very strong point. Doubt it is the one you think you are making though!

@Squidgames4U THIS is the outfit that was worn for most of the day. This is what the DQ was wearing for his performance and to read to the younger year groups. Including nursery and reception. The other (less revealing) outfit was only worn for the photo in front of the school. @Bintymcbintface knows this as they have been told multiple times but refuse to acknowledge it.

A lot of the comments say things like "it's OK because it's a man, they can do what they want" "whys it OK for a grown man to wear this" so it does appear that the issue many people have is not the outfit but the fact that a man is wearing it. Teachers couldn't wear it no because of dress code, if a mum showed up at pick up time wearing that they'd probably get a few wtf glances because it's not typical school run/day to day attire but nobody would be saying that she was a horrible example for children...

What point am I making since I seem to be so lost in it all?

I think we're wasting time still responding to the same old posters who aren't interested in reading or learning, even when it's to do with keeping kids safe 🤷🏻‍♀️

That looks like more or less the same dress with different shoes...

Please explain how kids are unsafe having a drag performer do a dance and read from a children's book.

They know their name dolly trolley, so what? it's not a rude name, it's not even remotely suggestive... The website has slightly more revealing outfits yeah but nothing so risqué that a child would be traumatised, so I'm still struggling to see how there's any kind of safeguarding issue, besides young kids shouldn't be online unsupervised or without parental controls being set up so should they see anything that would be inappropriate, that's on the parents that should have been supervising them, not the school that told the kids what the performers character name was, nor the performer themselves.

Things like this make me want to home educate my child.

I'd honestly be considering other schools.

@Momicrone

Is grayson Perry allowed?

Grayson Perry has always been very open about the fact he finds it sexually exciting to dress as a woman

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/oct/04/grayson-perry-dress-tranny-art-who-are-you-tv

I’d rather he wasn’t performing his fetish around children

@Bintymcbintface

Please explain how kids are unsafe having a drag performer do a dance and read from a children's book.

They know their name dolly trolley, so what? it's not a rude name, it's not even remotely suggestive... The website has slightly more revealing outfits yeah but nothing so risqué that a child would be traumatised, so I'm still struggling to see how there's any kind of safeguarding issue, besides young kids shouldn't be online unsupervised or without parental controls being set up so should they see anything that would be inappropriate, that's on the parents that should have been supervising them, not the school that told the kids what the performers character name was, nor the performer themselves.

You've asked this before, it's been answered before, and you're still ignoring questions people have asked you.

So, no, I won't explain, again, as you seem to have comprehension issues.

NC for this.

As my name suggests, I'm with Binty. I think everyone is massively overthinking this.

Personally I'm very saddened by everyone's reaction and I suspect that much of what happened has been misrepresented as there is a lot of conjecture on this thread. All the kids see is a man who likes wearing different clothes and who feels confident in doing so. They absolutely do not think along the lines of what's been said here.

Everyone says let kids be kids. Well exactly. They see a man in a dress reading a book. That's it.

It hasn't been answered though, bullshit like "gross parody of women" doesn't really cut it, when panto is deemed fine. "overtly sexual male" ummm...a guy in an outfit that wouldn't be out of place on strictly every week is overtly sexual? Wouldn't be my thing but whatever you're into I guess.

Nobody has answered my questions, at least not in a clear way... Yes schools have a responsibility to safeguard children, of course they do and if this performer had said or done anything inappropriate I'd be agreeing with the comments here saying to complain but they didn't. A large part of the whole thing seems to be "I don't like drag its makes fun of women and it's not right for kids" which to me reads as "a man in a frock threatens my own femininity and I don't believe that someone that can do risqué shows is able to do a more child friendly version"

@ImWithBinty

NC for this.

As my name suggests, I'm with Binty. I think everyone is massively overthinking this.

Personally I'm very saddened by everyone's reaction and I suspect that much of what happened has been misrepresented as there is a lot of conjecture on this thread. All the kids see is a man who likes wearing different clothes and who feels confident in doing so. They absolutely do not think along the lines of what's been said here.

Everyone says let kids be kids. Well exactly. They see a man in a dress reading a book. That's it.

Thank you. I believe that the angry comments etc are all being based on one perception of drag ie: guy dressed up as a big bolshy woman making crass sexual jokes and making gay sex references. Which of course didn't happen at a primary school, if that had happened I'd be joining the pitchfork carrying masses.

Silly dress up day about I am me, with a man in a dress (which kids probably thought was very silly) answering questions from kids, doing a dance and reading a book

@Bintymcbintface totally agree.

I do wonder if anyone here is able to provide some realistic theory on WHY this was arranged? Do we think it's for some nefarious reason? Why on earth do you all suppose the teachers would have organised this for....to mock women?

It was a brave thing to do and as far as we know there was absolutely nothing inappropriate about the activities that took place. If it was a woman in a dress doing the exact same thing you'd all unclutch your pearls.

If it was so brave and not inappropriate, why didn't they tell the parents before it happened?

What is brave about a man in see through clothes and heels?

Pearl clutching: Tick. Nearly a full bingo card.

Why does the representative for tye theme have to be a ridiculous paradoybof femininity though? How many of those kids in 5 or so years will be nursing a desire to enter a life of drag, so to find this empowering?

There are probably however a good handful of kids there who will be gay, may have disabilities - visible or otherwise, not be neuro typical. Where's the representation for them?

Equal to the safe guarding issue here - which, for clarity has F all to do with a drag artist being a pervert as that's clearly bollocks but anger at the powers that be who think it's ok to quietly erode kids boundaries - for me, is this view that being inclusive has to side step all the non fabulous people to highlight the exciting, colourful ridiculous ones.

As usual those poor kids continue to be at the bottom of the pile.

Oh look the pearl clutching thing again. Brilliant debating skills.

Aaahhh man, so many typos

@ShrillSiren

If it was so brave and not inappropriate, why didn't they tell the parents before it happened?

I don't know...maybe because they didn't expect this ridiculous and frankly way over the top reaction....?

@TheUsualShitshow

Oh look the pearl clutching thing again. Brilliant debating skills.

Those in glass houses - you didn't answer my Q.

That's because I've been at this since yesterday and all the answers to anything you need to know are somewhere upthread. Other posters don't exist for you to demand answers on a timeline that suits you, and under a NC.

I think it fits the "I am me" theme well. I'm sure there are many boys who want to wear dresses and sparkly things, not because they want to be girls or are having an identity crisis but because they think it would be fun or silly, but think they can't because "it's for girls" and there was a male doing just that and answering questions about it.

Who knows maybe today there was a woman in overalls talking about being a mechanic and showing kids different car parts or something?

It's sad that a gross stereotype of cross dressing/drag has turned what was probably quite a fun day into this horrible thread with gross implications and negative views