Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

Again with the adult entertainment thing. Yes they do adult shows, that does not mean they'd do the same act in a primary school. Schools and places of employment have a dress code, uniform and professional dress, visitors would not be held to those rules and a sparkly dress isn't inappropriate for a dancer. Teachers can't rock up into school in jeans either so your argument "would female teachers be allowed to wear that?" falls flat.

This is all being based in what some drag is. Sticking your perceptions of what drag is rather than what actually happened. A drag act came in on silly costime day did a dance and read stories...

'Find her upturned in a ditch'.

Nice.

@CIaireFraser

'Find her upturned in a ditch'.

Nice.

Not great but hey kids adore a puppet that lives in a bin so 🤷‍♀️

@Bintymcbintface Don't you see - it's not about whether they perform their more adult orientated shows in schools (though I'd sincerely hope they don't). It's the fact the DQs are grotesque parodies of womanhood, where women are always the joke. They normalise misogynistic tropes and reinforce gender stereotypes. I don't understand why anyone would be ok with their DC absorbing those messages.

Oh and teachers do wear jeans. DD is a teacher and wears them every day, as do her colleagues.

On the subject of clothes - do you think it's acceptable that girls are sanctioned for wearing skirts deemed too short/concealer/earrings while men are ok to dress as in images on this thread? What message do you suppose that might be sending?

Not great but hey kids adore a puppet that lives in a bin so 🤷‍♀️

Huge difference between puppets living in bins and a parody of a woman being 'upturned in a ditch' and the sexual violence that image suggests. Can you not see that?

You mean they get pulled for not adhering to uniform standards laid out, like people in schools everywhere do? Like places of employment don't allow mad make up or brightly coloured hair?

People outside of the school community don't have to follow those same dress codes, nor do the kids themselves when they're not in school they can wear whatever the hell they like, just like the man in the dress.

I think you're wound up because a drag queen was mean to your dd

@Bintymcbintface

Again with the adult entertainment thing. Yes they do adult shows, that does not mean they'd do the same act in a primary school. Schools and places of employment have a dress code, uniform and professional dress, visitors would not be held to those rules and a sparkly dress isn't inappropriate for a dancer. Teachers can't rock up into school in jeans either so your argument "would female teachers be allowed to wear that?" falls flat.

This is all being based in what some drag is. Sticking your perceptions of what drag is rather than what actually happened. A drag act came in on silly costime day did a dance and read stories...

If you're so insistent that DQ's have a place in children's education/entertainment why can't they do so under a separate "family friendly" persona? I'd be just as vexed if the aforementioned beekeepers and zookeepers had pictures on their professional website of them in stockings and suspenders and nipple tassels as I would be if the DQ in discussion had visited my child's school. It wouldn't matter that that's not what they wore when they visited the school, I can easily find it on their webpage and so can a child.

If you watch drag race uk I don't see any of the drag queens being misogynistic at all ? There is no way a drag act would perform their usual routine in a primary school of their routine is a pro active raunchy one , just like teachers don't go in and swear when they talk to their children like
They would in the pub with their mates , I am sure of that , If they are simply going into a school reading a story and telling the kids about their life story and why they feel drag is for them then it isn't causing harm
Is it ???

I think you're wound up because a drag queen was mean to your dd

Ah, so you finally admit that DQs denigrate women. At last.

@CIaireFraser

I think you're wound up because a drag queen was mean to your dd

Ah, so you finally admit that DQs denigrate women. At last.

No, I don't. I think in that instance what happened was they were doing a comedy act and your dd happened to be close to the stage and therefore "a target", it's common knowledge that if you're in the front couple of rows at a comedy gig you're in the line of fire so to speak. That's not an example of drag denigrating women, it's an example of a comedian doing what a hell of a lot of comedians do regardless of gender. Your dd was just unlucky, not a walking example of how drag is awful for women

Any response to the rest, that schools don't tell their pupils what to wear when they're not there, adults have to adhere to dress codes when they're working.... Nope

@SnowFlo

A man dressing in drag is a kink imo

You think they all get off on it? Isn't that autogynephilia? I think that's different, although like cross-dressers in general, there will be overlap. Some women also perform as either queens or kings. I guess I'd think of it more like a Venn diagram.

Not saying it's ok, from the fact they can easily find the more adult material online, but I don't think it's objectively a kink thing.

@snowflo
Ok maybe yes I see your point.
All I know is I'm not comfortable with it & I wasn't happy my kids school put it all over social media AFTER the fact & didn't inform parents storytime with transvestites was happening at all.
School keen to point out that they're LGTQ+ (can't remember the rest 😂) Allies & this was tagged in the even that the primary school were allies.
This is obviously something that happens frequently because this was last year & OP is posting about something that's just happened at her school.

@Bintymcbintface

Again with the adult entertainment thing. Yes they do adult shows, that does not mean they'd do the same act in a primary school. Schools and places of employment have a dress code, uniform and professional dress, visitors would not be held to those rules and a sparkly dress isn't inappropriate for a dancer. Teachers can't rock up into school in jeans either so your argument "would female teachers be allowed to wear that?" falls flat.

This is all being based in what some drag is. Sticking your perceptions of what drag is rather than what actually happened. A drag act came in on silly costime day did a dance and read stories...

Can you really not see the irony in you defending a man in a skimpy dress by using 'well a female teacher isn't allowed to wear jeans' as part of your argument?

@snowflo it's not like they rolled out trans or gay people for this storytime, I wouldn't have any issue with that. It's more the drag queen aspect with them in full costumes etc, kids found it confusing & they weren't trying to be humorous or anything it was all deadly serious 💀 so definitely no panto dame aspect to it.

That was in response to saying that teachers wouldn't be allowed to wear what the DQ did... That's because they're held to uniform standards and dress codes in their place of employment, like millions of others all over the country... If you're in tesco you don't have to wear their uniform just like the DQ doesn't have to conform to the school's dress code when they're visiting, like the parents too i guess

I would disagree there; if I went into my child's school in a see-through dress I really do think words would be had with me.

Similarly if I tried to read to strange kids in Waterstones in my undies, words would be had with me. Probably words from the police.

But it's lovely and jolly and inclusive when a man does it though, and we are bigoted for questioning and thinking around the issue.

The DQ didn't have everything all hanging out, they wore a sparkly dress... See through clothing and chilling in your underwear in the middle of waterstones would get you pulled and rightly so.

It's not because it's a man that they're getting away with it, there's nothing to get away with because they aren't doing anything wrong

So if your kids go to a school which states they are LGBTQA+ friendly, you shouldn't be surprised if they get a transvestite in to speak to your children?

@Franca123

So if your kids go to a school which states they are LGBTQA+ friendly, you shouldn't be surprised if they get a transvestite in to speak to your children?

@franca123
Well suuuuurrre!!
First time I ever saw them state that though was on their SM accompanying drag queen pictures?!
Nowhere on their website does it state that.
I have one dc who is an adult now so we've been with that school from day one.
Admittedly the head teacher has seemed to get more & more woke in recent years though.

@Franca123

So if your kids go to a school which states they are LGBTQA+ friendly, you shouldn't be surprised if they get a transvestite in to speak to your children?

@franca123 I'm not the OP, this also happened in my kids primary school last year so much be a thing.

*must

Well suddenly I see the point of stonewall accreditation - schools to avoid

@Franca123

Well suddenly I see the point of stonewall accreditation - schools to avoid

I think we're on the same page.
I just looked it up didn't realise they accredited schools.
I'm not in the UK though so I don't think there's anything similar for my country in Europe.
I guess only choice to avoid completely would be to send them to a religious school.
My only reasoning for sending them to the current school is its non denominational.
Non denominational schools are like hens teeth in my country because its all mostly based on one religion that I had wanted to avoid.

@Bintymcbintface

The DQ didn't have everything all hanging out, they wore a sparkly dress... See through clothing and chilling in your underwear in the middle of waterstones would get you pulled and rightly so.

It's not because it's a man that they're getting away with it, there's nothing to get away with because they aren't doing anything wrong

In your opinion. Almost everyone on this thread disagrees that there's nothing wrong with having an overtly sexualised man come into a primary school and nursery.