Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

@ChateauMargaux

Teenage girls get sanctioned for having skirts that are too short, socks that are wrong an for having visible bras through their regulation school shirts and for wearing concealer to hide their spots.... and yet a man is invited into a primary school dressed as a parody of a woman and that is OK?

Exactly.

What a damaging message to be sending to children, particularly young girls.

I'm not 100% sure on my opinion so I went searching for the DQ and his page. I am confused with the comments about thigh high boots and skimpy dresses... the attached picture seems to be what he wore to the school with the other picture taken from another social post on another night which is really misleading. The 'act' regular work for performing looks like drag aerobics.... it is more likely that this was the performance one the day than a bit of primary burlesque... no?

It's one thing seeing a man dressed as a woman in a pantomime when they're being amusing. But I think when you see men adopting female form and exaggerated it that is offensive to many. As an adult if you want to watch or follow it that's fine, but it and the humour is not for young dcs.

See through dress, through which underwear is visible, and stiletto heels. Totally fine, then.

I would be furious. I HATE drag, it makes an absolute mockery of women. Why do children need to see this? So fucking odd to invite a drag queen to a primary school. Can imagine the person who had this brainstorm gave themselves a massive pat on the back for championing 'inclusivity' in schools. Bleugh 😷

@DomesticatedZombie

See through dress, through which underwear is visible, and stiletto heels. Totally fine, then.

Like I said, not sure of my opinion but best to make it from facts not scandal. And he has tan leggings on so no flesh on show...

It's fairly easy to tell the difference between a panto dame and a drag queen.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/5323070/drag-queen-flow-job-paisley-snp-krankies-panto/

This is clearly not about actual diversity as others have said - there is an agenda here

That's why I mentioned the group whose offer to attend a local school was refused, and who are now creating a stink with the local authority

Unless they were refused by everyone - and then there'd be a reason for that - any other group would say "next" and forget it, moving on to plans for their next booking, but apparently they feel entitled to be accepted for a school event and that their wish should override the school's judgement

Interesting that none of the enablers on here have chosen to comment on that ...

@ScrollingLeaves

“CrackerGal

God maybe this is a thing!
This actually happened at my child's school too.
I didn't know anything about it until I saw pictures on social media from the schools page.
Meant to be some sort of inclusion thing but a man dressing in drag is a kink imo not something primary school children need to be indoctrinated into.“

Yes, this is “a thing”. It is an agenda.

#scrollingleaves its crazy. The world's gone mad. I don't understand where common sense has gone. There is also a 6 year old in my child's class whose apparently decided they're the wrong sex, so the kids have all been told they have to call them by a new gendered name.

That was to @scrollingleaves not sure where the tag went!

The drag queen in the dress posted above (Mama post) has less flesh on display than someone wearing a leotard.

Maybe different shoes would make it seem less sexual, but the dress itself isn't bad.

@Lennyllama

This was the outfit the DQ wore to dance and read books to the younger children.

@Mamma1976 The OP posted a photo about midday yesterday showing the outfit the DQ wore to the school and it was skimpy with thigh high boots.

wearing concealer to hide their spots

Unrelated, but that sounds like an ultra strict school. At mine, students and teachers were allowed to wear makeup, even do cat-eye eyeliner and the like.

@UnevenBooks

The drag queen in the dress posted above (Mama post) has less flesh on display than someone wearing a leotard.

Maybe different shoes would make it seem less sexual, but the dress itself isn't bad.

Do you really not understand the difference between sports clothing and the costume of an adult entertainer?

"flesh on display" is not really a valid criteria is it? I mean, a gimp suit covers pretty much everything but that is clearly inappropriate but a swim suit for sport shows more but is absolutely fine.

From a safeguarding view, the outfit worn on the day is largely irrelevant.

This adult used a name which has an online presence with adult content. In an adult line of work.

Just from an e safety point of view this wouldn't comply with most schools internet safety policies.

Which all schools have to have and have guardians return and sign part of.

So why is it ok for the school to break their side of the contract, but not the parents and children?

If they do provide a different show for a younger audience why do they not wear different clothes? Still the hair and make up but a longer dress and sensible shoes? Or an appropriate Disney princess or Widow Twanky styles outfit? Why does it need to be something they wear for adult performances?

The bottom line is that drag queens are adult entertainment.

I'd have no issue with a pantomime dame or a transgender person in ordinary clothing but drag queens are for adults only. As are lap dancers for example.

The whole point is to parody women/femininity

Is parodying feminity the same as parodying women though? We should really be separating feminity from being so closely linked to women. It could be argued they are parodying the femininity expected of women by society - heels, looking sexy, makeup, being sexual for men etc, rather than the women themselves.

Not saying I think it's appropriate in schools, so this isn't a defense question, just a question.

@Mamma1976 he changed outfit and shoes a few times! That picture is just one of the outfits he wore. The picture I posted is of the outfit he wore to do his show and to read to the children.

@SoupDragon

The bottom line is that drag queens are adult entertainment.

I'd have no issue with a pantomime dame or a transgender person in ordinary clothing but drag queens are for adults only. As are lap dancers for example.

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That has been confirmed by members of staff and my own children.

Wtf. Yanbu.

Do you really not understand the difference between sports clothing and the costume of an adult entertainer?

I mean, that dress itself wouldn't be out of place on dancing on Ice or the like, so the shoes seem to be more the issue.

And no, flesh on display isn't a valid criteria, which is why I didn't get the comment about the dress being slightly transparent, as you still can't see any more than you would in other outfits that would be acceptable.

@UnevenBooks

The drag queen in the dress posted above (Mama post) has less flesh on display than someone wearing a leotard.

Maybe different shoes would make it seem less sexual, but the dress itself isn't bad.

The dress is bad in that setting - and what other shoes would have been worn by a drag queen with such an outfit?

It's not the amount of flesh on display, it's the appropriateness of, or not.

Wearing a bikini on the beach is very different from say provocatively walking down the high street in underwear - same amount of flesh.

But if flesh in display isn't a valid criteria for an outfit being sexual or inappropriate, why are female teachers not allowed to wear short skirts with ""too much"" leg showing? Because there is an assumption that the legs in a skirt showing too much are in some way sexual and inappropriate.