Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

For all the bluster, all the accusations of bigotry, blue stockingness, etc etc, this still boils down to one inescapable question:

Why does anyone think it is absolutely fine to put anything that is sexualised into a primary school?

After all we usually fight tooth and nail to prevent small children seeing or hearing anything of an 'adult' nature. Yet so many arguing that a drag queen, with all of usual hyper sexualised connotations of that, is absolutely fine.

Some of you need to take a deep breath and ponder why you are trying to defend this to the exclusion of all commmon sense!

None so blind... quite literally, it seems!

And determinedly.

Yeah..It's more likely someone in a beautiful outfit

If that outfit as shown on pg 4 of this thread is appropriate for school attire, I would like to know just what some posters claim as ‘sexualised’?

And how this dress is inspirational in anyway to school students?

Would the school be okay with a female teacher wearing that dress and those boots to teach in? To parents’ evening? To show prospective parents around the school? Maybe they should think about why their answer is no.

Do they have names like FloJob? Do they have an easily searchable sideline in adult entertainment?

Not all drag queens have inappropriate names. Some have perfectly normal ones. You'd think schools shouldn't choose ones with inappropriate names. Regardless if they do or don't, schools should change the name so it isn't searchable.

However, the fact that you would have to change the name to prevent the searching, would just be confusing for the kids, as it will be like the person doesn't actually exist.

So while I think their names aren't all sexual, that their outfits aren't all inappropriate at all, I do think schools should bring someone in who the kids could look up and learn more about outside of school. There are just so many more people that would be more educational and appropriate.

@Smileyaxolotl1

autienotnaughty

Totally agree. Some people are so awful they think children should be protected from adult paraphilias, from people who parody women and use abusive and insulting language to describe them, from people who wear costumes where their cocks are clearly visible, from people who produce websites from adult content.
Some people like you clearly think these things are acceptable. It takes all sorts.

Exactly. Some of the desperation to repeatedly justify and gaslight posters on boundaries and safeguarding on this thread is repulsive.

@RogerThatBravoOne are you a fellow parent?

“Bigballer

I'm just pointing out that kids are used to seeing men dressed as woman. It is engrained in British culture.“

Only some children go to pantomimes. Those who do see the man in drag as a part of the whole story, and as joke. Often their parents are there. Lots of children do not go to pantomimes, or don’t like them.

No one is compelling them to go but they are compelled to go to school, without their parents, and without their parents knowing in advance.

Why are people so keen to say how happy they'd be for an adult entertainer fo visit their child's primary school in costume?

I wouldn't be happy with a lap dancer visiting either so it's not really about the drag for me.

Pantomime Dames are not adult entertainers. Justin Fletcher is not an adult entertainer. Little Mix are not adult entertainers (and aren't going into primary schools in their stage outfits).

[quote ElPolloLoco]@autienotnaughty - this is what they were wearing for dancing for the children - it is not suitable, not age appropriate and the children will gain nothing educational from it at all. This is clearly not about actual diversity as others have said - there is an agenda here. There are many other people who could have been invited in to read to the children.

Our school has invited a Lifeboatman, a naturalist, a local wartime evacuee, the police and a (fully clothed) theatre company to speak to the children. All interesting, all taught the children something useful and engaging.[/quote]
Missed that post. The drag element wouldn't bother me but agree the outfit is inappropriate.

@Blossomandbee

Yanbu! On what so called educational grounds was that even for?

The desire to be seen as uber-woke as possible. Which they tell themselves is an essential part of a fully rounded, ‘inclusive’ education.

I hope the parents will stage a mass protest.

What was the schools reasoning behind this ?
What was the objective ?
I thinks it's most odd....I'm a teacher of over 20 years

From my point of view this is something like how religious studies are taught. For example teaching kids about religions in a non-judgmental and not proselytizing way is fine. Telling kids that they
a) have to believe and
b) have to believe in a certain god is wrong and will cause upset.
I think lots of parents would be upset by that. they choose how to discuss that with their children and want to do so in an age appropriate way.
The same thing apples to sex education. I am all that but as far as I am aware parents are asked if they are happy for their child to be taught sex ed. at school.
Some things aren't the school's business and this (Drag queens) is one of them.

No I’m not but someone mentioned the DQ up the thread and I looked them up - they’ve posted to say what took place during the day and what year groups they visited

“Lulu1919

What was the schools reasoning behind this ?
What was the objective ?
I thinks it's most odd....I'm a teacher of over 20 years“

To help teach children gender fluidity & trans genderism but dress it up a bit.

Drag isn't all sexualised nor is it making a mockery of women, they acknowledge that they mostly look ridiculous

Can you not see the contradiction between drag not being a mockery yet queens looking ridiculous? The whole point is to parody women/femininity to an absurd degree. That is what is being held up as ridiculous.

Teenage girls get sanctioned for having skirts that are too short, socks that are wrong an for having visible bras through their regulation school shirts and for wearing concealer to hide their spots.... and yet a man is invited into a primary school dressed as a parody of a woman and that is OK?

@Helleofabore

I will repeat my post from pages back.

Who exactly benefits from lowering the sexual boundaries of children and women?

And we have live displays on this very thread of supposed adults who simply cannot see that those boundaries are being lowered with decisions like this one from the school.

It is quite something to behold.

THIS!!!

I’m amazed at the support people are giving for the invitation of a sexualised act into a school environment. A primary school at that too.

Think carefully about what messages we want to give children, what boundaries we may be confusing. It’s fucking scary.

yet a man is invited into a primary school dressed as a parody of a woman and that is OK?

In a plunging neckline and a skirt of strips of material that barely covers the crotch area and sits very high on the hips. But…. Nothing sexualised in this act AT ALL.

Just being ‘a queen’!

Nothing to see here. Just the same old, same old.

Also why can’t we be a bit more imaginative about teaching acceptance.

How come we can’t have men in women’s ‘every day’ clothing? Just doing stuff? Not overly dressed?

Or as someone said upthread a woman in a boiler suit talking about fixing the plumbing?

If we want to break down gender stereotypes please tell me how a woman dressed in the MOST stereotypical way of a women breaks these down? This only harms women.

God maybe this is a thing!
This actually happened at my child's school too.
I didn't know anything about it until I saw pictures on social media from the schools page.
Meant to be some sort of inclusion thing but a man dressing in drag is a kink imo not something primary school children need to be indoctrinated into.

@Photolass

It's absolute woke nonsense. Children should not be exposed to this.

Agreed its mental. A man dressing in drag is a kink imo. This happened at my own kids school too.

On another point; what would children with learning disabilities think of it all? Has anyone stopped to think it might be disturbing for those less able?

Nobody is suggesting that DQs are predators or will harm children physically.

It's far more insidious than that.

DQs in school normalise misogynistic tropes, reinforce gender stereotypes, send the message to children that it's ok (even desirable) to denigrate women, that men dressing in a sexualised way is ok but teenage girls wearing a skirt that's a couple of centimetres too short results in sanctions from the school.

Diversity is a wonderful thing. What a shame schools aren't taking this opportunity to celebrate it in a way that will actually resonate with and inspire children - a child with a disability or who is questioning their sexuality, for example, will surely feel more validated by a Paralympian or a lesbian working in a traditionally male sector.

“CrackerGal

God maybe this is a thing!
This actually happened at my child's school too.
I didn't know anything about it until I saw pictures on social media from the schools page.
Meant to be some sort of inclusion thing but a man dressing in drag is a kink imo not something primary school children need to be indoctrinated into.“

Yes, this is “a thing”. It is an agenda.

Interesting, though sickening, interview with O'Carroll posted last night, Furries
What stood out for me was the determination to avoid questions, twist them, change the narrative, and an almost toddler-like "I have answered you" attitude
Not unlike some of the excuse-makers on here ...