Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

@Pluvia

Currently trying to explain to one our local schools why men dressed as a parody of women, in short skirts and fetish gear, should not be reading stories to children. It's really shaken any faith I had in our schools that anyone should think this is a good idea. Local library also has drag queen sessions booked. Local women will be picketing outside if it goes ahead. We are going to have to stage public protests. None of this is acceptable.

It's the influence of queer theory across our culture. Break down the barriers of heteronormativity, blah blah, get the kids onside before they're developed enough to query what they're being told, and never boring stuff about safeguarding. People need to wise up and have a long hard think about what is going on in the name of so-called inclusivity.

When did safeguarding suddenly become obsolete?

When those who control these things found a more exciting cause to focus on perhaps, and one which allows them to flaunt how right on they are at that

As with most proponents of misogyny some of these people shout very loudly, which may also explain why the disabled - who often have less of a voice - are less likely to be in the running for school visits, etc.

It scares me that there is no safeguarding authority that are stepping up against things like this.

Is nobody responsible? Really, are we just left to fight it alone?

Break down the barriers of heteronormativity

I don't think that a bad thing, in the context of presenting same-sex relationships as perfectly normal alongside opposite-sex relationships. Truly I believe more kids films should have same-sex parents in it etc, or a lesbian Disney Princess etc.

But, there's that, and then there's everything else....

But, there's that, and then there's everything else....
What are you trying to say?

Women in suits and trousers are fine, but men in skirts isn't?
Agree, that's how it comes across

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Women in suits and trousers are fine, but men in skirts isn't? Agree, that's how it comes across

Women in suits and trousers aren't parodying men and exaggerating hackneyed stereotypical male behaviours for lols. They're just wearing clothes.

A man in a skirt reading stories to children would be no problem whatsoever. He's not teaching kids to twerk, he's not called FloJob and he's not denigrating women. He too is just wearing clothes.

09BlondeWidow

nanbread

've taken my DC to drag queen story time many years ago, and the queen then was wearing a more princess style ballgown and reading age appropriate stories about inclusivity. It was fun.

*hmmhmmhmmhmmhmmhmmangry

So, poster says actually, they went to one, drag queen wasn't wearing revealing clothes at all, in fact sounds more Disney Princessy, and it STILL warrants a line of humphy and angry faces?!
Interesting.
So it's not just '' but they look overly sexualised! '' more like people have a problem with men wearing a dress full stop.

It’s not just a man in a skirt wearing though! It’s a man with huge eye lashes, wigs, huge boobs on show, high heels, heavy make up. Certainly not the kind of clothes I wear daily.

A man in a skirt reading stories to children would be no problem whatsoever

Cross posted, seems some certainly would have a problem with that.

Totally inappropriate and v creepy. The point is that it’s sexualised and promotes harmful stereotypes of women.

Complain to head, governors, Ofsted and Dept of Education. If parents don’t complain then creeps like this can do whatever they want / and be paid for it with taxpayer money.

@LidlMiddleLover

No problem with any bloke who cross dresses being in a primary school but not any sexualised act of any sort Whats next, strippers in assembly?

Perhaps some lap dancing or pole dancing? Or burlesque - with nipple tassels. I mean where is the safe guarding or the boundaries.

Perhaps get the Dream Boys to do a little show? I’m sure OFSted would love it!

@OshaOsha

Cross dressing is a paraphilia, though.

That depends. There are men who get off on it... But then, there are also men who just want to wear dresses. Why should you be limited by gender stereotypes on what you can wear?

Women in suits and trousers are fine, but men in skirts isn't?

Just pointing out that women started wearing suits because working women were being harassed on the way home from work by men who assumed they must be prostitutes. The origin of suits for women is an attempt to avoidmale sexual aggression.

The origin of drag is male misogynistic
sexual fantasy about what it means to be female. Very different from women in suits eh.

It’s taking the piss out of women. It’s offensive. I don’t find drag queens funny but then I don’t like watching someone take the piss out of anyone.

The origin of drag is male misogynistic

I wasn't talking about drag. Someone said "cross-dressing is a paraphelia". Cross-dressing isn't just drag queens, it's anyone wearing clothes not made for their sex. It isn't always a sexual thing. Either sex should be able to wear clothes stereotypically for the other sex. The only reason it's even called "cross-dressing" is because of the idea that certain clothes are only for one sex.

Sorry if I've missed this - is this a state school?

The origin of suits for women is an attempt to avoidmale sexual aggression.

The fact that women were expected to wear skirts and dresses was a problem in the first place.

It’s taking the piss out of women

No, I see it as people wanting to dress up and express themselves, and if that means in skirts and high heels, that's up to them.
I don't take it to mean they're taking the piss out of me

Women in suits and trousers aren't parodying men and exaggerating hackneyed stereotypical male behaviours for lols. They're just wearing clothes.

I was not comparing women in suits and trousers to drag queens. I was talking to the PP who said cross-dressing is a paraphilia.

But, there's that, and then there's everything else....

What are you trying to say?

I'm saying that a DQ wearing a highly sexual outfit wouldn't be appropriate. Or for example, when you go to a gay pride parade and they have men dressed as dogs on leads, that wouldn't be appropriate for children. Or, I don't think talking to young kids about gender is appropriate - my DD is going through a massive "boys are better than girls, they are cooler, I want to be a boy" stage, so she is rejecting anything "girl-coded" which is fine, she can like stereotypically "boy things" and clothes, but I feel talking about mismatched genders would be confusing, especially given that her idea of what boys and girls like or do seems quite stereotypical right now, despite me trying to combat it - it's everywhere in society.

I'm saying there are things appropriate for primary children and things that aren't. In my opinion.

Why is a man who posts pictures like this on his business page still getting booked?

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You've just linked pictures of a drag queen in a jumpsuit?

How is that not appropriate wear, it's pretty covered up

EeeICouldRipATissue

So his cock clearly outlined in the jumpsuit is of no issue to you at all?

@OshaOsha

Cross dressing is a paraphilia, though.

That depends. There are men who get off on it... But then, there are also men who just want to wear dresses. Why should you be limited by gender stereotypes on what you can wear?

Women in suits and trousers are fine, but men in skirts isn't?

Hahaha

Seriously I don't add a strap on penis when I wear trousers or should all women be doing this

Some drag is sexualised and if that was the case then not appropriate but otherwise I'd have no issue. Do you all ban you kids from panto too?