Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

@Bintymcbintface

Why is it nuts to say that a man in a dress vetted by a primary school isn't putting kids at risk doing an age appropriate show for them?

I think you're misunderstanding (deliberately or not) what we mean when we say harm.

Nobody is saying that the DQ is a paedophile who will be touching up kids on school grounds.

It's a much broader and longer term type of harm; of childrens' appropriate boundaries being lowered; of girls being taught that their bodies and habits and mannerisms are to be degraded and laughed at; boys given yet another sign that girls are lesser than them, and there to be dissected and seen only through a sexual lens.

Yeah sparkly dress tacky boots

You think thigh high PVC boots are suitable for primary school? OK then, that explains a lot.

@Bintymcbintface

What was the message that performer portrayed? As far as I was aware it was about being yourself and proud of it...

But no one is being themselves when they’re dressed up as a performer. Especially if the dressing up completely changes their real appearance.

Can’t you see the contradiction you’ve just made in that post?

I wouldn’t care, but then my youngest brother is a drag queen and my kid has regularly seen him in ‘costume’ since he was very young. He understand it’s a job for his uncle and has seen him and some of his friends preform a few times- the last time being at my brothers own wedding, which of course was always audience age appropriate.

I do see how not being advised in advance would be a but unsettling though.

@Bintymcbintface

They're not mocking women, for the most part they're mocking other men whilst dressed as a woman... Playing a character

Drag Queens do mock women. Referring to women as 'fish' is common, for example.

A few years ago DD went to a drag night at a gay/lesbian bar. The DQ singled her out and poked fun at her 'librarian' clothes and asked if she was a virgin. DD was 18 and felt utterly humiliated - lots of the audience were laughing at her.

But no, of course they don't mock women.

(And let's not forget that even before they open their mouths, their hideous facsimile of womanhood mocks women, too.)

I’d go apoplectic. If the school tried to defend it I would ask then when black face day was and Fetish lifestyle day was so I could put it in my diary.

Totally inappropriate for schools, especially primary aged children. They are children, why can't they just be left to kids instead of having inappropriate adult rubbish shoved in their faces? I'd be so cross if that were my childrens school!

Ultimately the point is this:

Even if you think drag is great and fine for kids, large numbers of parents don't.

So it's not appropriate for school.

@Bintymcbintface

Why is it nuts to say that a man in a dress vetted by a primary school isn't putting kids at risk doing an age appropriate show for them?

Nobody is suggesting that the DQ is going to abduct kids or have nefarious plans for them. One would hope that all the necessary checks had been done before they were let near the school, for one thing.

The harms DQ do are in the way they portray women - as sexualised, bitchy characters. The reinforcement of gender stereotypes (female presenting person = dress, heels, makeup). Presenting these ideas to children is not celebrating diversity, it's entrenching messed up, misogynistic tropes.

@BearOfEasttown

YANBU. I HATE drag queens. So outdated and sexist.

Totally agree with this. One day we will look back in dismay at this gross parody of women.

Just catching up on the repulsive "Rainbow Dildo Monkey" act put on for the kids, and thinking again that we need a vomit emoticon on here

I'd ask why nobody had the sense to step forward and stop what was happening, except I strongly suspect they were all terrified of being labelled bigots - the same response I'd expect to follow any complaint OP makes

Totally inappropriate.

Insult to injury op even part funded it

Totally weird

Here you go @Puzzledandpissedoff 🤮

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Just catching up on the repulsive "Rainbow Dildo Monkey" act put on for the kids, and thinking again that we need a vomit emoticon on here

I'd ask why nobody had the sense to step forward and stop what was happening, except I strongly suspect they were all terrified of being labelled bigots - the same response I'd expect to follow any complaint OP makes

That's the only response ever given

An absolute fucking disgrace.

I would honestly remove my children from a school that did this.

No wonder you are fuming OP

I couldn't get worked up about it. Maybe I'd want notice it was happening... But realistically I don't think I'd mind if I found out afterwards.

I wouldn't want this either at my school or my DC's school. Not appropriate.

Thanks for the deletion now it looks like I said something horrible.
Thanks for that

I find the 'logic' behind deletions inexplicable, I wouldn't stress about it.

Thanks, Blossomtoes, though I think that's from an app and I only access MN from my laptop (might copy and paste it though!!)

I was vaguely aware that someone wanted this at a local school whose Headteacher I know, so I linked her the thread. Turns out she declined the performance as inappropriate and the organisers have since raised Cain with the local authority, citing discrimination, bigotry and all the usual insults
It therefore appears that this group at least consider themselves entitled to perform in schools, and I'm wondering why that should be