Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

Then they could have done it with a less sexualised individual! Any transwoman, any transman could have given the same message

No they couldn’t have.
This is why I believe the school chose a DQ and not a transgender person.

Not everyone who isn’t a stereotype is transgender.

Why? Just why? I mean what good does it do? YANBU times 1000

YANBU. There's no legitimate place for drag queens in schools. There is no educational value in it whatsoever. Doing this for the sake of being "diverse" and "inclusive" isn't good enough, and the suggestion that it teaches a valuable lesson that anyone can wear whatever they want? Oh, please! As if there aren't a hundred better, age-appropriate ways to do that!

@mummykel16

When you look at what some professors are saying in and around universities this is just a drop in the ocean of propaganda being poured on children.

It's as if pie has suddenly become the norm acceptable and even beneficial, it's a sad old world

Yes, I've read some horrifying things said by some academics. They seem to have picked up the baton from that Michel Foucault, and he was a paedophile apologist, a very twisted and warped creature. Sickening and very frightening!

For the record (before this thread inevitably gets shunted into the naughty corner), there are currently 1241 votes, 87% YANBU.

I find drag a demeaning parody of
Women - ask them if the black and white
Minstrels are coming in next week and if not.. to Explain the difference?

I’d have found that terrifying when I was at school.

There’s something creepy about people who are so heavily made up that you wouldn’t recognise them as the same person without the make up. It’s not the same as just dressing up, it’s why so many children are scared of clowns.

Okay, none of those outfits would be what I would consider appropriate in a school setting, especially the rainbow jumpsuit.

I can also see why DQs upset some people, I used to get angry as I felt they were disrespectful to women, with the OTT make-up and extreme dress sense, as if that is what they understood women to be. Eventually I changed my mind, they are not trying to be women, it is just a job like any other, when they get home the outfit comes off and they are who they are. Whether it has a place in school is up for debate. As a parent I would have liked a heads up, and confirmation that the content would be age-appropriate, but I don’t think I would have asked for my child to be excluded.

A lot of children struggle with wanting to wear clothes that aren’t manufactured for their sex - this can cause all sorts of issues but a main one being they believe they’re the wrong gender just because they want to wear pink sparkly unicorns

So how is getting in a male performer who has to pretend he is a woman to wear women's clothes meant to address that? Surely that is confirming that you can't wear clothes associated with the opposite sex?

This is a reinforcement of sex based stereotypes - not a combat of them.

YANBU

If they were so confident it was appropriate why didn't they let everyone know before hand? I think we know why.

It's bloody ridiculous. I would complain to the school and the LA.

Life is confusing enough for kids these days without this sort of shit. I'm annoyed on your behalf.

Probably in the minority but I wouldn't care. Unless they were making explicit sexual jokes.

Just no, can't see the purpose of drag queens in schools.. I dare say it will encourage some pupils to dress up the same

I think the sisters in cinderella boarder on drag Queens?

If it was all for a bit of fun I would not mind. But not in reveling type dress. I'm not clear on the purpose though

I dare say it will encourage some pupils to dress up the same

When you take your kids to the Christmas panto do you worry that they will want to start dressing like a pantomime dame? I doubt any kids at this primary school showed up today in a tinsel dress and thigh high boots...

@somanylies

A lot of children struggle with wanting to wear clothes that aren’t manufactured for their sex - this can cause all sorts of issues but a main one being they believe they’re the wrong gender just because they want to wear pink sparkly unicorns

So how is getting in a male performer who has to pretend he is a woman to wear women's clothes meant to address that? Surely that is confirming that you can't wear clothes associated with the opposite sex?

This is a reinforcement of sex based stereotypes - not a combat of them.

Children might struggle with wearing clothes made for their sex

What I don't get is how it's supposed to help, inviting a man along to school wearing clothes made for sex

@Icouldabeenalawyer

Me neither as long as the content and outfit was age appropriate. I'm pretty liberal though

@WonderfulYou

So why not invite a transman and a transwoman into school to meet with kids?

Because a drag queen doesn’t identify as a women.
There’s a massive difference.

The school have done this to show you don’t have to change your gender just to wear certain clothes.

I’m sure they support transgender people too but I do think it’s good they’ve not just focused on that.

But drag queens ARE pretending they are the opposite sex and ask to be called 'she'. Drag queens are NOT advocates for wearing clothes not associated with your sex.

Get in a butch lesbian to show you can dress and present how you want despite your sex - butch lesbians don't pretend they are not female.
Get in an effeminate man, or one who wears dresses but doesn't deny his sex, and still calls himself a man..
THOSE people challenge sex stereotypes, not men in dresses who you have to call by females names and call 'she'

And on that note, if the theme is 'This is me' why on earth get in a performer whose whole act is based on not being himself, but creating a fantasy character that is not even the same sex as he is! That's not exactly being yourself, is it?!

What are you gonna do OP? Are there enough parents concerned enough to make complaints to the school and the LA?

@Veiaola

I presume I have taken ur child to a panto. There is always a Dame at the panto. I think in the horrible world we currently live in I think it was a nice thing the school did. I think you need to give ur head a wobble op.

It is NOT the same thing at all as a pantomine. The only similarity is its a man dressed as a woman. I suggest you give your head a wobble if you honestly can't see the difference.

Pantomine is funny and FAMILY entertainment and the pantomine dames are over the top, flamboyant but not sexual! The most risque they get is perhaps an innuendo kids won't understand.

What OP posted is a man in thigh high leather boots and a barely there mini dress. If thats FAMILY entertainment, then you certainly spend your family time very very differently to us.

How the actual fuck is that the same thing??

@WonderfulYou

Then they could have done it with a less sexualised individual! Any transwoman, any transman could have given the same message

No they couldn’t have.
This is why I believe the school chose a DQ and not a transgender person.

Not everyone who isn’t a stereotype is transgender.

I think you have missed the point.

A transman is a woman who eschews femininity, societal notions of what it is to be female. They do embrace masculinity, the societal notions of what it is to be male

A transwoman eschews masculinity, societal notions of what it is to be male. They do embrace femininity, the societal notions of what it is to be female

Neither use hypersexualised clothing, make up etc to 'live' that message.

And you do defeat your own argument with that last line. As you are, quite rightfully saying, that I could have given the same message - 50s something woman in flat shoes, jumper, trousers, short hair, self employed.

But somehow I, like the many transmen and women who could have been called upon, just aren't outre enough, lack sequins and sexuality.

What a ridiculous thing for a primary school, what was the point? At that age, all they know about drag is pantomime dames which is a whole different ball game.

Sheesh.

The World has gone mad. 🤪