To think employers will have to get used to treating staff better?

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In my field like many, there is a shortage of experienced staff. Suddenly the shit employers are all complaining about how they can not get any staff. In a Facebook group for people who do my work, you often get employers posting asking people to advise why they are getting no responses to their job advert. When you look, it is usually because they are being unrealistic in what they are expecting for the money. But they generally do not like being told that.

Good employers are still attracting staff. I got my current job as a friend who was working at the company and told me they were a great employer, and the salary is competitive. Managers treat people well and go out of their way to praise people and offer training and support. Meanwhile, the shit employer I worked for five years ago can't find anyone.

Employers are going to have to get used to treating staff better. AIBU?

"Why should I pay for ?"

British culture makes me sad.

@formalineadeline

"Why should I pay for ?"

British culture makes me sad.

British ? Or English ?

@littledrummergirl

I'm fairly intelligent but have no interest in promotions, climbing the ladder etc. My last employers attitude was that as I was in a particular job role any suggestions that I made outside of that were not worth listening. I should know my place. An example would be a spreadsheet on excel that was having to be manually updated, have information moved around, several sheets etc. They had no concept of tables, filter and sort which could have saved them hours if they had given me 30 seconds to format it. I don't necessarily want a huge amount of pay but a fair wage, recognition of my skills and the opportunity to use and build on them. I found this attitude very disrespectful and one of the reasons for the high staff turnover.

Yes - I'm currently giving my company side eye for the same.

Some staff are very wedded to outmoded ways of doing things, and act very reluctantly and truculently in response to efforts to improve things. It's a management issue - those staff need to be given firm instruction to get with the program. But instead it's those who have the skills to improve things who get the pushback.

I'm lucky not to give a damn, but the four people who've had my role in the past two years didn't feel that way and quit.

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I’m a bit late back! But to @ThatsNotMyGolem why ironic?

Our (not mine, I’m an employee) business is expanding! We are not replacing leavers if that’s what you thought 😊

We are offering good money for the role, the only drawback is that it’s mainly office based! That’s down to how we work collaboratively and are also a training practice!

I’m happy to advertise here, it’s not a secret role, we’ve got ads all over the place 🤣 It’s Leeds, and an accountants role.
If any posters are interested just PM me and I’m happy to send details! Sal up to £40k, nice environment to work in and also with good transport links to the (not city centre location) and parking!

@FunnyInjury

I’m a bit late back! But to *@ThatsNotMyGolem* why ironic?

Our (not mine, I’m an employee) business is expanding! We are not replacing leavers if that’s what you thought 😊

We are offering good money for the role, the only drawback is that it’s mainly office based! That’s down to how we work collaboratively and are also a training practice!

I’m happy to advertise here, it’s not a secret role, we’ve got ads all over the place 🤣 It’s Leeds, and an accountants role.
If any posters are interested just PM me and I’m happy to send details! Sal up to £40k, nice environment to work in and also with good transport links to the (not city centre location) and parking!

You're offering a 40k salary for a qualified accountant?

@FunnyInjury in my company an accountant starting salary is 70k in euros which I think is about 58k sterling. plus they get up to 10 per cent bonus health insurance and other perks along with 30 days annual leave.

meant to say that would be more if they had a good few years experience behind them

Well wexon, that’s not in the north of England then is it 🤣 it’s honestly a good salary round these parts!
We’re looking for qualified AAT or one of the big 2 partial qualified is all, we don’t overcharge (or undercharge for very long) our clients so I think it’s fair! It’s fairly formulaic to work out salaries in practice iykwim.
There is a benefits package on top 🤷‍♀️ There’s just no sensible candidates applying!

@FunnyInjury no it's not it's sorry east Ireland which is normally the lower end for wages here in Ireland. expect more if you in Dublin cork or Galway. we struggling to get people aswell so maybe might suggest reaching out to north enegland and allowing hybrid working ??? might suggest it to hr

Wexone I’ve said before I’d be better off as an economic migrant in Dublin, send money home to house/kids 🤣

@ANameChangeAgain

I suppose schools are the classic for this! I really can't work out why a TA is considered a minimum wage job! I've seen so many qualified TAs leave to work in a local supermarket due to pay.

Thank govt austerity for that. Councils fund schools, and councils can barely raise enough money to meet their basic statutory duties since the central govt grant to local govt was cut from approx 90% to nearer 60%.

@JuergenSchwarzwald

I think you're right to an extent OP.

But with the Brexity government we have, they will want to reduce employment rights as soon as they can (as part of the "Brexit opportunities").

If you are in a niche or even not so niche role where good staff are sought after, you'll be ok - employers will need to be flexible (generally, not just in relation to things like WFH - for example they might to accept that you are good at some parts of the role but not others and either retrain you in those or get other employees to do them whereas in the past they would have sacked you for not being perfect) if they want to recruit and retain staff. But otherwise, you'll find that protection against discrimination and unfair dismissal is heavily reduced.

I read somewhere the other day that Jacob Rees-Mogg is looking at all the legislation we had to have to comply with EU regs, and identifying what can be amended or repealed.

I'm bloody sure that employment rights will be near the top of the list, with discrimination law following close behind. I suspect consumer protection will take a bit of a hit, too.

[quote Wexone]@FunnyInjury in my company an accountant starting salary is 70k in euros which I think is about 58k sterling. plus they get up to 10 per cent bonus health insurance and other perks along with 30 days annual leave.[/quote]
That's very high. I'm in Lancashire and have been looking at salarires circa £40k on the jobs websites for newly qualified.