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The way the Tory government are acting now makes it feel like all the lockdowns were a waste of time

366 replies

Poetrypatty · 21/02/2022 17:24

Just lifting all the restrictions as if it was all a waste of time. It makes me feel like a mug for everything we went through, especially as they were having their parties and not even following the rules. I think it's bad for peoples mental health as well.

OP posts:
Againstmachine · 21/02/2022 19:48

The lack of restrictions since last summer has resulted in hospitals being so busy they've been unable to manage anything but covid. That means many people dying before their time.

Complete hyperbole hospitals have been doing many things besides covid.

Alexandra2001 · 21/02/2022 19:48

@Nidan2Sandan Appreciate you don't follow the news, otherwise you wouldn't have come out with your comments on Drakeford and Sturgeon.

Its Boris who has been behind the curve and had to follow Sturgeon with tighter restrictions and of course Wales will follow in a month or so, its what he is calling for right now!
As we are still a united kingdom, England isn't a cash cow for either Wales or Scotland, though for Scotlands sake, i hope they do leave the UK and forge their own path.

Nidan2Sandan · 21/02/2022 19:48

@Jellykat

Niden theres quite a lot Drakeford has done first over the last 2 years, i.e firebreaks etc and just because hes exercised caution doesnt make him a wuss! In fact the opposite as hes had the balls to do things slightly differently. Every single person ive talked to here, (and working in retail, ive talked to a lot of customers as well as family and friends) has agreed with his pathway so far.
iirc, that "firebreak" did bugger all to keep cases down Wink and didnt Wales and Scotland have higher case numbers than England despite all the government ordered fun removal?? Grin
Ogel · 21/02/2022 19:51

@QueenOfHiraeth

I think testing has been ridiculous here because, like the NHS, people see it as free when in reality somebody has to pay, just not at the point of delivery. I know people who are retired and don't need to go anywhere who have been testing more than the twice a week required for key workers.

I'm a little anxious about lifting everything so quickly but agree that we have to start to move on

Yep, and some settings like nurseries insisting on LFTs before each session, I see why but we will all be paying for these tests for a long long time.
Nidan2Sandan · 21/02/2022 19:51

@WindyState

*Nidan2Sandan

Fuck the people on the breadline who might have to choose between a box of LFTs and heating for a week, eh?

People on the bread line are the last people we should be demanding test and isolate frankly. If they're sick they can take sick leave. But they dont need asymptomatic testing, and risking not being able to work when perfectly well enough to do so!

Wow.

Just.... wow*

Careful, your privilege is showing Wink

OchonAgusOchonOh · 21/02/2022 19:54

@TheKeatingFive

Which countries are suddenly abandoning all testing and monitoring?

I don't know of any other country that ever provided free continuous testing to begin with.

Norway has removed the requirement to isolate.

ROI is limiting PCR testing to over 65s and LFTs were never free. Which, in reality is removing the requirement to isolate as only those who pay for tests will ever know they have Covid.

PCRs are being limited to over 55's, not 65's and antigen tests have been available for free for quite some time if you are under 40 with symptoms or any age, bar children, if you are a close contact.
pawpaws2022 · 21/02/2022 19:54

@EatSleepRantRepeat

I'm sick of hearing people using "the vulnerable" as an excuse instead of saying they're personally struggling to adjust. The vulnerable have been vaccinated 3 times and will get a 4th, all for free, so we can get out from under these restrictions.

You realise the vulnerable are also killed by other viruses, right? My mum going through chemo many years ago was advised to stay in and shield by her doctor, because even a cold, chest infection or chickenpox could have made her extremely ill or killed her. I didn't see anyone willing to wreck the economy or providing shielding support for mum, or giving her extra vaccines for these things - we had to work around it and bring everything to her at home, dad had to stay home whenever someone in his workplace was ill, etc. It's the health condition that causes the vulnerability that's the problem now, not covid.

I think my question there is what would you do if that was your life? Because I'm as vulnerable as that but I'm also mid thirties, not entitled to any benefits so need to work FT to pay my mortgage Thankfully my boss is understanding so I can WFH still but otherwise I would be back in an unventilated (no windows) workplace with no testing and no isolating

I'm trying to balance keeping myself safe with this being my lifelong condition and being able to live a little and it's HARD. I don't want to stay in forever but I also really really don't want Covid. Rock and hard place

WindyState · 21/02/2022 19:55

Nah, it's the exact opposite of that.

These threads are always the same, full of middle class tory voters who have no fucking idea what the impact of the pandemic has actually been for the people who haven't been able to wfh and save money on petrol for the audi.

EddyF · 21/02/2022 19:56

I really don’t get this. Do someone has Covid but not feeling too bad; does this mean they can just rock up to the office and declare they have Covid and all is OK? What about vulnerable staff in the office? Are they expected to work alongside Covid infected people?

You are NOT being unreasonable OP. It’s so easy to appease the British public. All comments on the DM (arghhhh I read that paper here and there Blush) are “well done Boris” “Good lad Boris”. How people forget. Get him out.

I hope my organisation doesn’t have funny ideas and send us back to the office full time. The minimum I will take is a hybrid model. LOL.

TravellingFrom · 21/02/2022 19:56

@Lazypuppy

You can still get testibg i'm sure, you just have to pay for it, as it should be now after 2 years.

Sick pay, work for a company who offers good sick pay, as plenty of people tried to do before covid. There are other illnesses other than covid

Yes because will be paying £20 for a test… esp when so many people are struggling to put food in the table.

The ines who will be disadvantaged AGAIN are the poorest ones. Is that really OK?

Nidan2Sandan · 21/02/2022 19:57

@WindyState

Nah, it's the exact opposite of that.

These threads are always the same, full of middle class tory voters who have no fucking idea what the impact of the pandemic has actually been for the people who haven't been able to wfh and save money on petrol for the audi.

Ooops, there you go again. Showing that actually you have ZERO clue on what real life is like for many people.
WindyState · 21/02/2022 19:58

Yeah, there is only one person who doesn't have a fucking clue here and it's not me.

TravellingFrom · 21/02/2022 19:59

@EddyF yes that’s exactly what it means
You’ll have covid, be symptomatic but if you want, yu can go to the office, to work or even better to a hospital and infect everyone around.

And the news that the Queen is great because she will carry in working even though she is ill has just reinforced that. Esp added to the fact that the first 3 days with covid are not legible to sick pay.
Basically the government is ALSO telling us it’s not even like the flu but more like a cold and we should all at work regardless of covid or not.

Jellykat · 21/02/2022 19:59

Nidan think YOUR privilage is showing!

Do you really think all people on the breadline qualify for Sick pay??
Self employed, as well as those on zero hour contracts and part timers dont qualify for sick pay you know..

Livingtothefull · 21/02/2022 20:02

Over 150k people dead, one of the highest death rates in W Europe (despite us being an island), billions of pounds siphoned from taxpayers to Tory mates, mug public paying for it with the highest taxes in decades.....and Boris 'Let the bodies pile high' Johnson facing absolutely zero consequences for this.

I can't understand why anyone could have any trust in him or believe that he is implementing these changes in good faith or for any other than blatantly political reasons. He is obviously desperate to 'move on' from Partygate - his latest 'fuck you' to the public - and judging by some of the responses here we are going to let him.

Nidan2Sandan · 21/02/2022 20:02

@WindyState

Yeah, there is only one person who doesn't have a fucking clue here and it's not me.
Resorting to swearing now!

Always a good way to prove you're "right" Grin Reckon I've gotten under your skin by calling out your utter nonsense.

If the choice was testing when not unwell, and then not being able to work and put food on the table, or not having to test and being able to work and ergo, eat. You really think the zero hour contract, no sick pay folk would choose testing!!

You really live in a privileged life if you think that.

WindyState · 21/02/2022 20:03

@Jellykat

Nidan think YOUR privilage is showing!

Do you really think all people on the breadline qualify for Sick pay??
Self employed, as well as those on zero hour contracts and part timers dont qualify for sick pay you know..

Don't forget that these people will be working jobs that may require frequent LFTs that Nidan thinks they should all now pay for because she is fed up of all her higher rate tax paying for it.
Nidan2Sandan · 21/02/2022 20:03

@Jellykat

Nidan think YOUR privilage is showing!

Do you really think all people on the breadline qualify for Sick pay??
Self employed, as well as those on zero hour contracts and part timers dont qualify for sick pay you know..

You've just managed to demonstrate my point exactly whilst trying to "score a point" against me 🤣🤣🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️
AllThingsServeTheBeam · 21/02/2022 20:04

@WindyState

Nah, it's the exact opposite of that.

These threads are always the same, full of middle class tory voters who have no fucking idea what the impact of the pandemic has actually been for the people who haven't been able to wfh and save money on petrol for the audi.

This.
Marchmount · 21/02/2022 20:04

[quote Alexandra2001]@Nidan2Sandan Appreciate you don't follow the news, otherwise you wouldn't have come out with your comments on Drakeford and Sturgeon.

Its Boris who has been behind the curve and had to follow Sturgeon with tighter restrictions and of course Wales will follow in a month or so, its what he is calling for right now!
As we are still a united kingdom, England isn't a cash cow for either Wales or Scotland, though for Scotlands sake, i hope they do leave the UK and forge their own path.[/quote]
Note you didn’t mention the pointless restrictions imposed after Christmas in Scotland which crushed hospitality businesses and made no real difference. In Scotland the teaching unions pressured the SG into maintaining masks in schools. Being removed in class at end of this month but still retained in other areas. It’s farcical now how they want to keep the charade going. As another poster said, they’ll milk it for a few weeks longer, falsely claim that Scotland’s petty rules have made a difference and then follow Boris.

WindyState · 21/02/2022 20:04

"Reckon I've gotten under your skin by calling out your utter nonsense. "

Nah, I just recognise someone talking utter shite when I see it.

MalagaNights · 21/02/2022 20:05

The arguments for continued restrictions are utterly irrational & disordered thinking.

There's a vaccine which prevents serious illness and death available to everyone.

For an illness that itself isn't very serious now anyway.

And which is so transmissible you could never contain it through lockdowns anyway.

There is no rationale left for restrictions or testing.

If you're ill stay at home. Whatever it is.
Just like we used to when ill.
The difficulty of that situation for those without sick pay is no different to 2 years ago. It's just as shitty as it was then but no reason to restrict everyone.

And yes someone in my family is CV etc etc (isn't everyone's?) but it doesn't mean we've lost the ability for rational thought.

TravellingFrom · 21/02/2022 20:05

I'm sick of hearing people using "the vulnerable" as an excuse instead of saying they're personally struggling to adjust. The vulnerable have been vaccinated 3 times and will get a 4th, all for free, so we can get out from under these restrictions.

@EatSleepRantRepeat one of the ry big reason why vulnerable people are still so vulnerable is because (and excuse me for shouting)
THEY ARE NOT ABKE TO DEVELOP THE ANTIBODIES DESPITE 3 or 4 JABS
So they are still just MORE susceptible than despite having had some many vaccinations.

Getting 4 jabs, which all the CEV will have had already btw, will not those people from catching covid and be ill.

Plus of course, there is a huge risk as a society with long covid.
There is very little information out there about LC, the effect of the vaccines and getting several infections with covid closely together. If the numbers are still even half of what they were pre vaccination, that’s still at least 1% of people with LC. That means 1% of people who are basically disabled. Not good for a society at all, at all levels really.

TravellingFrom · 21/02/2022 20:06

For an illness that itself isn't very serious now anyway.

Have you missed the 1000 people who died last week??

Nidan2Sandan · 21/02/2022 20:07

@WindyState

"Reckon I've gotten under your skin by calling out your utter nonsense. "

Nah, I just recognise someone talking utter shite when I see it.

🤣🤣🤣 if you say so my dear