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To tell my neighbour not to re-attach her twigs to my fence?

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crowsfeet57 · 20/02/2022 16:59

We live in a detached house at the end of a cul de sac, we generally got along well with our next door neighbours until a few years ago when she became obsessed with the fence between our gardens. There is a 8 foot wall around the other side of our garden and the back, with a 6 foot wooden fence between us and them. The fence isn't new, it was there when we moved in over 20 years ago. It's not leaning or falling down anything. There were about two or three small chunks out of the top of it due to her gardener's and my DH's enthusiastic pruning.

Before they moved in (12 years ago) we had climbers all along the fence and the previous neighbour had the same. It was glorious! The climbers on their side gradually disappeared and some of ours died off, so we knew they weren't fans. About 4 years she knocked and told us we had to dig up the ivy that was growing on our fence because it was killing her plants. The ivy was only growing on a small part of the fence where there is no light between the two houses. We told her to cut it back on her side if it was bothering her. A few days later her gardener knocked to say the ivy was damaging the soil quality and again DH said they could cut it back if it was bothering them. A few days later she knocked again and said we had to dig up the ivy as it was damaging the fence. DH told her it was our fence and if it was damaged we would deal with it. She seemed surprised but appeared to take it on board.

Because they were so persistent, DH dug up the ivy two weeks after this conversation and that was that - or so we thought.

About 13 months ago she had her garden 'landscaped.' Cowboys does not adequately describe the people she got in and as I was wfh I was alert to make sure they were no issues with the fence.

One night she knocked and complained that our 'poisin ivy' had killed her trees. She showed me a picture of some sad looking plants which had been planted between her house and our fence and pointed some dead twigs coming out of the fence. I told her the twigs were the from ivy plant that DH dug up when she complained and that her trees had died as they never got any light. She then told me that she was taking the fence down putting a new one up and none of our plants were allowed to touch it. I told her in no uncertain terms that it was our fence and she was not to touch it. She then told me that the people living on the other side of her had told her it was her fence. (Presumably because her fence is covered with plants and climbers coming from their garden.) She pointed to our wall and said "that's yours." After I had explained that in a row of houses one end would always have two fences, I showed her the deeds which clearly show the fence is ours. I even let her have a photo of the relevant document so she could show her husband. She said she would build a new fence on her property.

A few days later I looked out of the window to see two men attaching some twig screening to our fence. I went out and told them to stop as it was our property. They refused and laughed when I threatened to call the police. I knocked next door and despite having 4 cars on the drive nobody answered. I left a voicemail telling her they had to stop.

Twenty minutes later she came to the door and literally screamed at us for 20 minutes. It was awful. she said she had paid them £400 to put these twigs up as our dreadful fence was ruining her garden. Finally we agreed they could finish putting the screening up but nothing else was to be attached to our fence. A few days later I found someone doing something to the screening which had caused a chunk of the crossbeam to fall off. Again he refused to stop when I asked him, but this time I was so upset that my dog came out barking and growling. Faced with 10 stone of unhappy dog he stopped, but came back and did it a few days later while we were out.

Now (finally) to my AIBU. Storm Eunice has ripped most the screening off the fence taking a plank with it. It has definitely damaged it in a few places. I want to avoid another row, but | am not replacing the fence at the moment and I am NOT being told what I can and can't grow by the fence, so I am thinking it might be best to send her a text saying that we notice the screening has blown down and as it damaged the fence when it was put up and again when it blew down, we no longer agree to it being attached to our fence and she needs to put up some posts on her side to attach it to. I don't want to wait until they come back to start hammering into the fence again and then have another row. AIBU?

OP posts:
noodlezoodle · 20/02/2022 19:00

I'd be replacing the fence with an 8 foot wall to match the others, and then you don't have to care about any of this any more!

Soubriquet · 20/02/2022 19:05

IVE BEEN TOLD!!!!

AngryGrin

Aphantasia · 20/02/2022 19:13

You’re absolutely not being unreasonable here, but she is clearly not going to listen so ward her off at the pass and just send a solicitors letter, you’ll have to eventually so you may as way just bypass all the aggro in the middle and put an end to it now. If she complains that you didn’t need to send a solicitation to letter just poi t out that she’s been consistently aggressive in her previous dealings and you didn’t want to get into any discussions with her about it

PaniniHead · 20/02/2022 19:16

@Soubriquet Cancel the cheque

ShallWeTalkAboutBruno · 20/02/2022 19:22

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea

How do you know for sure it's your fence? That's not a snarky question btw, I have no idea who the fences around my garden belong to and neither do the neighbours. All deeds just show a red line around the land we each own. There is a very nice, expensive looking fence at the bottom of the garden that my neighbour said is his but we have the posts due to a previous agreement with the old owners so no definitive answers!
It’s on your deeds.
WeAreTheHeroes · 20/02/2022 19:22

@LoisLane66

In England, the etiquette when erecting a fence means that the posts are on YOUR side and the 'good' side faces outwards. If the fence is wholly on your land (title deeds cost £3 to download from land registry) then no-one can paint, hang, attach or lean anything on or against the fence without your permission. Yo do so could be a criminal offence. English LA planning protocol also states that fences surrounding back gardens should not exceed 2 metres in height. Anything higher requires planning permission.
Some of this is correct, some of it isn't. Fences can be expensive, if you're paying for it, put it whatever way round you like.

Plenty of fences are along the boundary and unless the title documents state who owns them and is responsible for them, the presumption is that they are party walls. This is the case for very many properties where there are no t marks and nothing in the title register.

Shortofspace · 20/02/2022 19:22

@lazyarse123

We own the fence between us and twatty ndn and she tied a washing line round one of the posts and dh told her not to because the weight would knacker it plus we have a washing post that was originally to share between the houses and we would happily tie her line too it. But no she tied it to the fence so when she took her washing in we cut the line. She no longer speaks to us. Win for me because she's a cow for all sorts of reasons.
I'm surprised some people are disagreeing with this poster - there is an actual post for washing that she could use, a fence isn't designed to hold the weight of a washing line and it's not being petty to not want your fence broken if you've ever had to replace one you'd know it isn't cheap!
AllThingsServeTheBeam · 20/02/2022 19:25

[quote elephantmarchingin]@AllThingsServeTheBeam GrinGrinhaha. I own all my fences for my property and have never even thought to question people hanging up things on their side.

Maybe I should! [/quote]
I have no idea who owns what between me and my neighbour but we both hang things off it and paint it what ever colour we choose.. but the op has been more than reasonable with her batshit neighbour and what they did has actually damaged ops fence so she has a right to tell them to get the fuck off it

RantyAunty · 20/02/2022 19:36

You have a fence that is more than 20 years old.
It is likely outdated and looks like shite.

I wouldn't care at all if someone put up a screen on their side of my 20 plus year old fence.

Why don't you have your DH go over to speak to her DH and see abou going 50/50 on a new fence?

nitsandwormsdodger · 20/02/2022 19:44

You have both escalated this to a place it did not need to go , you should have pulled up the ivy first time she asked you , you were very unneighbourly, she is a bit much too
Btw do NOT call the police because your neighbour is attaching something to your fence be an adult and talk nicely

Abricot1993 · 20/02/2022 19:44

Try and de-escalate. She could plant Leylanndi conifers on her side of the fence. Depending on how the sun travels across the garden, she could block out your light. They grow 90cm a year and can reach 30metres.

TravellingFrom · 20/02/2022 19:45

@RantyAunty

You have a fence that is more than 20 years old. It is likely outdated and looks like shite.

I wouldn't care at all if someone put up a screen on their side of my 20 plus year old fence.

Why don't you have your DH go over to speak to her DH and see abou going 50/50 on a new fence?

It doesn’t matter if it’s old and outdated or looks shit.

If the NDN has an issue, she can put her own fence up, on her side and attach whatever she wants to it.

And why, why does ut have to be ‘the men’ who are doing the talking? 😡😡

Flutterby8 · 20/02/2022 19:45

God we had this debate with new neighbours.
If its your boundary, its your fence.
The neighbour cannot attach anything to their side of your fence. Its illegal.
Put it in writing to them, hand deliver it and tell them face to face that they have contributed towards damage but because they are rude youre letting it go but any more damage they have to put their hands in their pockets and fix it themselves.

ThePlumVan · 20/02/2022 19:54

She’s clearly Batpoop and fixated on your fence. There’s no reasoning with stupid. Put your panel back up and grow what you like on it.
You’ve been overly accommodating to your own detriment.
Everything she attached would be dismantled on a nightly basis unless she had asked permission and you have granted. It.

DaphneSprucesPippasClack · 20/02/2022 20:05

Solicitors letter. Do you or DH get any employment support that can assist with legal advice?

LakieLady · 20/02/2022 20:11

@fudging

"Good fences make good neighbours" - apparently a well known phrase. You have my sympathies OP. We have opposite problem, neighbours who refuse to replace a broke fence clearly showing on land registry as their responsibility. 3 years now with no privacy now Sad

Maybe get a solicitor's letter?

There were huge gaps in the hedge on the side that is my NDN's responsibility.

I asked a solicitor I worked with if they were legally obliged to maintain an effective boundary. He told me that all that is required is for the boundary to be marked in some way, and that that can be done with a single strand of wire.

I bit the bullet and paid to have chain link put up alongside the hedge.

I had the rotten old paling fence that was my responsibility replaced with chain link at the same time. Twenty years on, my neighbour decided she wanted a higher, close boarded fence on that side and asked for my permission to put one up on my side.

Cost her £3k, and cost me fuck all, so I was delighted.

Soontobe60 · 20/02/2022 20:14

@Soubriquet

Yabu. She can put what she likes on her side of the fence.
Nope. The law says she cannot touch the fence.
donquixotedelamancha · 20/02/2022 20:20

Nope. The law says she cannot touch the fence.

@Soontobe60

93 posts in, it's surprising no one has mentioned that already. Thank goodness you came along.

Soubriquet · 20/02/2022 21:00

[quote PaniniHead]@Soubriquet Cancel the cheque[/quote]
Yea fucking please Grin

HiJenny35 · 20/02/2022 21:14

You've got a fence that's 20 years old, I can't blame her for being fed up of having to look at that state. She said she was going to replace it so it would have looked decent and you wouldn't let her. As someone who has plants, grass and parts of the fence destroyed by next doors ivy I can see her point of view, it's pointless cutting back to the fence line it's back within days, you could have been reasonable from the start and none of this would have happened. I'd never tell anyone they couldn't attach things to their side of the fence, it's 20 years old please stop with the "she damaged it". Let's hope the thing falls down completely in the wind and then she can have a nice new fence to look and and you'll have to pay for it.

HoldenCaulfieldismyhomeboy · 20/02/2022 21:17

You're definitely not being unreasonable OP. What is it with fences and the crazies?! My neighbour is a right pita when it comes to the fence between us.

Hankunamatata · 20/02/2022 21:25

This is all really petty for manky 20 odd year old fence. I put up a brand new fence and shock horror I didnt mind that my neigbours each side painted their sides and stuck things on it. Life it too short

Hugasauras · 20/02/2022 21:32

I wouldn't care about someone painting it and stuff, but those screen things can be really damaging in winds. We just had this at our rented out property: tenants had put up screens attached to fence to increase height and then during the storm the wind couldn't get through and took the whole lot down because they basically became a sail. And it is proving not cheap to replace!

TravellingFrom · 20/02/2022 21:33

@HiJenny35

You've got a fence that's 20 years old, I can't blame her for being fed up of having to look at that state. She said she was going to replace it so it would have looked decent and you wouldn't let her. As someone who has plants, grass and parts of the fence destroyed by next doors ivy I can see her point of view, it's pointless cutting back to the fence line it's back within days, you could have been reasonable from the start and none of this would have happened. I'd never tell anyone they couldn't attach things to their side of the fence, it's 20 years old please stop with the "she damaged it". Let's hope the thing falls down completely in the wind and then she can have a nice new fence to look and and you'll have to pay for it.
The OP has removed the ivy though….

And NDN can have her nice fence if she wants. She can erect one on her property if she wants…

Xenia · 20/02/2022 21:34

Most deeds do not make it clear who owns the fence and most houses do not have 2 fences down the same line or a wall plus fence next to each other. It sounds like the poster owns the fence so the neighbours should not reattach what they attached it but they can put a second fence in their garden right against the first one but that will mean they have less land and will confuse buyers and not be a good idea.

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