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To tell my neighbour not to re-attach her twigs to my fence?

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crowsfeet57 · 20/02/2022 16:59

We live in a detached house at the end of a cul de sac, we generally got along well with our next door neighbours until a few years ago when she became obsessed with the fence between our gardens. There is a 8 foot wall around the other side of our garden and the back, with a 6 foot wooden fence between us and them. The fence isn't new, it was there when we moved in over 20 years ago. It's not leaning or falling down anything. There were about two or three small chunks out of the top of it due to her gardener's and my DH's enthusiastic pruning.

Before they moved in (12 years ago) we had climbers all along the fence and the previous neighbour had the same. It was glorious! The climbers on their side gradually disappeared and some of ours died off, so we knew they weren't fans. About 4 years she knocked and told us we had to dig up the ivy that was growing on our fence because it was killing her plants. The ivy was only growing on a small part of the fence where there is no light between the two houses. We told her to cut it back on her side if it was bothering her. A few days later her gardener knocked to say the ivy was damaging the soil quality and again DH said they could cut it back if it was bothering them. A few days later she knocked again and said we had to dig up the ivy as it was damaging the fence. DH told her it was our fence and if it was damaged we would deal with it. She seemed surprised but appeared to take it on board.

Because they were so persistent, DH dug up the ivy two weeks after this conversation and that was that - or so we thought.

About 13 months ago she had her garden 'landscaped.' Cowboys does not adequately describe the people she got in and as I was wfh I was alert to make sure they were no issues with the fence.

One night she knocked and complained that our 'poisin ivy' had killed her trees. She showed me a picture of some sad looking plants which had been planted between her house and our fence and pointed some dead twigs coming out of the fence. I told her the twigs were the from ivy plant that DH dug up when she complained and that her trees had died as they never got any light. She then told me that she was taking the fence down putting a new one up and none of our plants were allowed to touch it. I told her in no uncertain terms that it was our fence and she was not to touch it. She then told me that the people living on the other side of her had told her it was her fence. (Presumably because her fence is covered with plants and climbers coming from their garden.) She pointed to our wall and said "that's yours." After I had explained that in a row of houses one end would always have two fences, I showed her the deeds which clearly show the fence is ours. I even let her have a photo of the relevant document so she could show her husband. She said she would build a new fence on her property.

A few days later I looked out of the window to see two men attaching some twig screening to our fence. I went out and told them to stop as it was our property. They refused and laughed when I threatened to call the police. I knocked next door and despite having 4 cars on the drive nobody answered. I left a voicemail telling her they had to stop.

Twenty minutes later she came to the door and literally screamed at us for 20 minutes. It was awful. she said she had paid them £400 to put these twigs up as our dreadful fence was ruining her garden. Finally we agreed they could finish putting the screening up but nothing else was to be attached to our fence. A few days later I found someone doing something to the screening which had caused a chunk of the crossbeam to fall off. Again he refused to stop when I asked him, but this time I was so upset that my dog came out barking and growling. Faced with 10 stone of unhappy dog he stopped, but came back and did it a few days later while we were out.

Now (finally) to my AIBU. Storm Eunice has ripped most the screening off the fence taking a plank with it. It has definitely damaged it in a few places. I want to avoid another row, but | am not replacing the fence at the moment and I am NOT being told what I can and can't grow by the fence, so I am thinking it might be best to send her a text saying that we notice the screening has blown down and as it damaged the fence when it was put up and again when it blew down, we no longer agree to it being attached to our fence and she needs to put up some posts on her side to attach it to. I don't want to wait until they come back to start hammering into the fence again and then have another row. AIBU?

OP posts:
Zolla · 20/02/2022 18:17

Blimey. I’ve never had any idea who owned/s the multiple fences at houses we’ve lived at.. I’ve stuck up twig screening, hanging baskets, trellis & climbers! 😳 I had no idea I perhaps shouldn’t!

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 20/02/2022 18:17

@elephantmarchingin

I think you are being massively unreasonable and sound like nightmare neighbours
Hello ops neighbour 😂
Abracadabra12345 · 20/02/2022 18:20

@Zolla

Blimey. I’ve never had any idea who owned/s the multiple fences at houses we’ve lived at.. I’ve stuck up twig screening, hanging baskets, trellis & climbers! 😳 I had no idea I perhaps shouldn’t!
Welcome to MN
OMGItsEarly · 20/02/2022 18:21

Fence threads always remind me of this post on a ‘neighbour painted her side of the fence’ thread.

We were in the same position op. Our fence. We painted our side grey. Ndn painted her side brown. We had a solicitor instruct her not to touch our property.. She legally had to allow us onto her property to maintain the fence. I went round and painted it grey.

Imagine living with that level of petty!

Anyhow op, maybe a letter from solicitor is the way to stop it dead. She was obviously disproportionately annoyed about your ivy (tbf I hate our neighbours ivy but they can grow whatever they like, I’ll just keep snipping it when it comes through to our side) and now has a bee in her bonnet about all things fence related on your side. Tell her to put her own fence up in front of yours if your fence is bothering her.

littlepeas · 20/02/2022 18:21

How do you know someone lives in a detached house?

Don’t worry, they’ll tell you…

I live in a town house with neighbours attached on both sides and still own a fence Wink.

elephantmarchingin · 20/02/2022 18:22

@AllThingsServeTheBeam GrinGrinhaha. I own all my fences for my property and have never even thought to question people hanging up things on their side.

Maybe I should!

lazyarse123 · 20/02/2022 18:22

We own the fence between us and twatty ndn and she tied a washing line round one of the posts and dh told her not to because the weight would knacker it plus we have a washing post that was originally to share between the houses and we would happily tie her line too it. But no she tied it to the fence so when she took her washing in we cut the line. She no longer speaks to us. Win for me because she's a cow for all sorts of reasons.

RedHelenB · 20/02/2022 18:24

Police what an over reaction. If you'd let her replace the fence when she asked you'd still have a fence. Honestly think you need to grow up a bit, Ivy is a pain.

AllOfUsAreDead · 20/02/2022 18:26

You should have stood your ground the first time. Backing down made her think she is right. You're screwed now. Guaranteed no matter what you tell her, she will do what she wants. It's going to end up having to come from a solicitor.

Next time, stand your ground. No is no, end of discussion.

Violetmo0n · 20/02/2022 18:27

@lazyarse123

We own the fence between us and twatty ndn and she tied a washing line round one of the posts and dh told her not to because the weight would knacker it plus we have a washing post that was originally to share between the houses and we would happily tie her line too it. But no she tied it to the fence so when she took her washing in we cut the line. She no longer speaks to us. Win for me because she's a cow for all sorts of reasons.
🤣🤣 no way! My row of neighbours lines are all on each others posts it's really not a big deal.

Are people really this precious over their fences?!

Cakelover17 · 20/02/2022 18:29

@lazyarse123

We own the fence between us and twatty ndn and she tied a washing line round one of the posts and dh told her not to because the weight would knacker it plus we have a washing post that was originally to share between the houses and we would happily tie her line too it. But no she tied it to the fence so when she took her washing in we cut the line. She no longer speaks to us. Win for me because she's a cow for all sorts of reasons.
How petty, love you think the neighbour is the ‘twatty’ one here 😂
thegoldenone · 20/02/2022 18:30

I'd bash the whole fence down and let her have bugger all separating you . Let her build one then mess around with it like she has

Movinghouseatlast · 20/02/2022 18:31

When I was in your neighbours position I put my own fence up on my own land in front of their fence.

I think people telling you to grow up etc have clearly never been in a position of having neighbours like yours, who are quite willing to make your life a misery. My nightmare neighbour nearly killed me, I ended up moving as it was unbearable living beside someone who treats you with such a lack of respect.

LoisLane66 · 20/02/2022 18:32

In England, the etiquette when erecting a fence means that the posts are on YOUR side and the 'good' side faces outwards. If the fence is wholly on your land (title deeds cost £3 to download from land registry) then no-one can paint, hang, attach or lean anything on or against the fence without your permission. Yo do so could be a criminal offence. English LA planning protocol also states that fences surrounding back gardens should not exceed 2 metres in height. Anything higher requires planning permission.

blanketyblanked · 20/02/2022 18:33

This has just escalated too, too far and is damaging your quality of life. I would suck it up, get a new fence pay 50/50 each, each person can do what they want to their side. Get a high quality fence that the wind can go through and treat it, so it will take any plants and screening. And then just move on, life is too short for screaming neighbours!

strawberry2017 · 20/02/2022 18:34

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea on our deeds it's marked with a T to indicate the ones we own.

BritishDesiGirl · 20/02/2022 18:35

@Soubriquet

Yabu. She can put what she likes on her side of the fence.
No she can't, that is the OP's fence and she needs the OP's permission to do anything.
Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 20/02/2022 18:42

Solicitor told me the ndn has to give you reasonable access to maintain YOUR fence also. Ndn stood scowling while I went in to paint over the hash coat she had taken it upon herself to put on. Your own fence is your property. Not to have anything attached to our painted by ndn.

janj2301 · 20/02/2022 18:44

I live in a council house (London) and have a two foot high chain link fence, ALL houses had this style fence when they were built in the 50s. My neighbour owns her porperty and erected a sixfeet high fence on her side, although that was years before I moved in.

MingeofDeath · 20/02/2022 18:46

Plant some Leylandii, that will really get her going.

StaplesCorner · 20/02/2022 18:47

Why can't she just put up her own fence immediately next to the OP's fence and then she can stick anything she likes on it? Or am I missing something?

StaplesCorner · 20/02/2022 18:49

We have a large "party wall" between us and next door - they think its theirs so I let them think that, then if it needs repairs its their problem! If it benefits me in some way in future, I shall do a big "reveal" Grin

Blossomtoes · 20/02/2022 18:52

@Chitchatchatter

Just be aware that if it escalates into a neighbour dispute, you will have to declare it if you ever decide to move.
I think that ship’s sailed.
Cakelover17 · 20/02/2022 18:54

@StaplesCorner

Why can't she just put up her own fence immediately next to the OP's fence and then she can stick anything she likes on it? Or am I missing something?
Yeah, she wants to use the OPs fence as the support for her fence, which can cause the OPs fence to be weakened or damaged, but also touches it which is what OP doesn’t want. The whole point of the thread is at OP wants to tell the neighbour she has to provide her own fence with its own supports this time, which she refused to do last time, resulting in damage to both fences during the storm.
fudging · 20/02/2022 18:57

"Good fences make good neighbours" - apparently a well known phrase.
You have my sympathies OP.
We have opposite problem, neighbours who refuse to replace a broke fence clearly showing on land registry as their responsibility. 3 years now with no privacy now Sad

Maybe get a solicitor's letter?