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To tell my neighbour not to re-attach her twigs to my fence?

115 replies

crowsfeet57 · 20/02/2022 16:59

We live in a detached house at the end of a cul de sac, we generally got along well with our next door neighbours until a few years ago when she became obsessed with the fence between our gardens. There is a 8 foot wall around the other side of our garden and the back, with a 6 foot wooden fence between us and them. The fence isn't new, it was there when we moved in over 20 years ago. It's not leaning or falling down anything. There were about two or three small chunks out of the top of it due to her gardener's and my DH's enthusiastic pruning.

Before they moved in (12 years ago) we had climbers all along the fence and the previous neighbour had the same. It was glorious! The climbers on their side gradually disappeared and some of ours died off, so we knew they weren't fans. About 4 years she knocked and told us we had to dig up the ivy that was growing on our fence because it was killing her plants. The ivy was only growing on a small part of the fence where there is no light between the two houses. We told her to cut it back on her side if it was bothering her. A few days later her gardener knocked to say the ivy was damaging the soil quality and again DH said they could cut it back if it was bothering them. A few days later she knocked again and said we had to dig up the ivy as it was damaging the fence. DH told her it was our fence and if it was damaged we would deal with it. She seemed surprised but appeared to take it on board.

Because they were so persistent, DH dug up the ivy two weeks after this conversation and that was that - or so we thought.

About 13 months ago she had her garden 'landscaped.' Cowboys does not adequately describe the people she got in and as I was wfh I was alert to make sure they were no issues with the fence.

One night she knocked and complained that our 'poisin ivy' had killed her trees. She showed me a picture of some sad looking plants which had been planted between her house and our fence and pointed some dead twigs coming out of the fence. I told her the twigs were the from ivy plant that DH dug up when she complained and that her trees had died as they never got any light. She then told me that she was taking the fence down putting a new one up and none of our plants were allowed to touch it. I told her in no uncertain terms that it was our fence and she was not to touch it. She then told me that the people living on the other side of her had told her it was her fence. (Presumably because her fence is covered with plants and climbers coming from their garden.) She pointed to our wall and said "that's yours." After I had explained that in a row of houses one end would always have two fences, I showed her the deeds which clearly show the fence is ours. I even let her have a photo of the relevant document so she could show her husband. She said she would build a new fence on her property.

A few days later I looked out of the window to see two men attaching some twig screening to our fence. I went out and told them to stop as it was our property. They refused and laughed when I threatened to call the police. I knocked next door and despite having 4 cars on the drive nobody answered. I left a voicemail telling her they had to stop.

Twenty minutes later she came to the door and literally screamed at us for 20 minutes. It was awful. she said she had paid them £400 to put these twigs up as our dreadful fence was ruining her garden. Finally we agreed they could finish putting the screening up but nothing else was to be attached to our fence. A few days later I found someone doing something to the screening which had caused a chunk of the crossbeam to fall off. Again he refused to stop when I asked him, but this time I was so upset that my dog came out barking and growling. Faced with 10 stone of unhappy dog he stopped, but came back and did it a few days later while we were out.

Now (finally) to my AIBU. Storm Eunice has ripped most the screening off the fence taking a plank with it. It has definitely damaged it in a few places. I want to avoid another row, but | am not replacing the fence at the moment and I am NOT being told what I can and can't grow by the fence, so I am thinking it might be best to send her a text saying that we notice the screening has blown down and as it damaged the fence when it was put up and again when it blew down, we no longer agree to it being attached to our fence and she needs to put up some posts on her side to attach it to. I don't want to wait until they come back to start hammering into the fence again and then have another row. AIBU?

OP posts:
Soubriquet · 20/02/2022 17:05

Yabu. She can put what she likes on her side of the fence.

SpiderVersed · 20/02/2022 17:07

@Soubriquet

Yabu. She can put what she likes on her side of the fence.
She cannot attach anything to OP’s fence without OP’s permission.
Raindancer411 · 20/02/2022 17:09

@Soubriquet She can but she cannot attach to their fence as it is their property.

OP, yes ask her not to attach to it and if she does I would start to take proper legal action as they can send a legal warning letter.

ItsSnowJokes · 20/02/2022 17:09

@Soubriquet

Yabu. She can put what she likes on her side of the fence.
Wrong! She doesn't own the fence so cannot legally attach stuff to it. She can put her own fence straight up behind the OPs fence and then could attach what ever she wanted. Or put some trellis infront of the fence but none of it should be attached to OPs fence without permission.
dementedpixie · 20/02/2022 17:10

@Soubriquet

Yabu. She can put what she likes on her side of the fence.
Eh, no she can't if it isn't her fence
SpiderVersed · 20/02/2022 17:11

That’s @Soubriquet told Grin

Four posts in three minutes!

helpfulperson · 20/02/2022 17:12

It isn't the case that one garden will always have two fences. It can vary depending on the deeds. You say your deeds show it as yours. It's not impossible that hers also shows it as hers. I would go for the approach of lets check both sets of deeds and check we agree on ownership. Then if there is no doubt it is solely yours you can make demands.

Soubriquet · 20/02/2022 17:13

@SpiderVersed

That’s *@Soubriquet* told Grin

Four posts in three minutes!

Yes Blush

Wonder how many more will happen

Havers · 20/02/2022 17:15

@Soubriquet

Yabu. She can put what she likes on her side of the fence.
She can’t - it’s not her fence.
Beachsidesunset · 20/02/2022 17:16

It's 'your fence' and 'the other side of your fence'. Sympathy, OP.

Raindancer411 · 20/02/2022 17:16

@Soubriquet Hopefully there won't be... there was no reply when I started to reply lol

Just have to hope others RTFT before replying to the comment :)

hopeishere · 20/02/2022 17:18

We need a diagram.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 20/02/2022 17:22

How do you know for sure it's your fence? That's not a snarky question btw, I have no idea who the fences around my garden belong to and neither do the neighbours. All deeds just show a red line around the land we each own. There is a very nice, expensive looking fence at the bottom of the garden that my neighbour said is his but we have the posts due to a previous agreement with the old owners so no definitive answers!

TheHoptimist · 20/02/2022 17:25

@hopeishere

We need a diagram.
Diagram is so 2021-we need a photo
PonyPatter44 · 20/02/2022 17:26

I know this is not the point of your post, but why would you tolerate someone screaming at you AT YOUR OWN FRONT DOOR for 20 minutes?

Regardless, I think your preemptive plan is good, but I wouldn't send a text, I'd send a very formal hardcopy letter.

Chitchattypatty · 20/02/2022 17:27

Your NDN sounds like a pain, however as someone whose neighbours refuse to replace an absolutely appalling fence, I have attached exactly the screening you describe to our side to try and improve the look of our garden. Their fence is at least 10 years past it's best and desperately needs replacing (NDNs keep coming into my garden to hammer rusty metal stakes into the ground in my garden to try and shore it up).

So if your fence is in a bad state and really does need replacing, you should do so, or graciously accept that your NDN wants to improve her view/outlook by attaching screening.

However if you have a perfectly good, solid fence then I suppose you are in your rights to ask her not to attach things to it. Although to me it seems petty. Why do you care? Is it because you can see the screening? If so it can be cut to the height of the fence. If she wanted to attach trellis to grow a plant up would you object?

YADBU to even threaten to call the police about a fence issue.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/02/2022 17:29

As she & her workmen seem totally uncooperative & relations between the two of you have already broken down, I'd say go for it. You have the law on your side, that the fence is yours & nothing should be attached to it.

Be prepared for her to be just as pig-headed as before, though. This is not a sign that she's right, just that she's an idiot.

I think you'd be justified in calling the police non-emergency line for advice & to log that you've had trouble with this person. It's not an overreaction if she's damaged your property & is likely to do so again. Even the 20-minute tirade should be logged. If she's making a habit of this sort of thing, the local Neighbourhood Team might be willing to warn her off. It doesn't always work (as we were told when we had to do it with a NFH), but it might be worth a try.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/02/2022 17:32

@Chitchattypatty

Your NDN sounds like a pain, however as someone whose neighbours refuse to replace an absolutely appalling fence, I have attached exactly the screening you describe to our side to try and improve the look of our garden. Their fence is at least 10 years past it's best and desperately needs replacing (NDNs keep coming into my garden to hammer rusty metal stakes into the ground in my garden to try and shore it up).

So if your fence is in a bad state and really does need replacing, you should do so, or graciously accept that your NDN wants to improve her view/outlook by attaching screening.

However if you have a perfectly good, solid fence then I suppose you are in your rights to ask her not to attach things to it. Although to me it seems petty. Why do you care? Is it because you can see the screening? If so it can be cut to the height of the fence. If she wanted to attach trellis to grow a plant up would you object?

YADBU to even threaten to call the police about a fence issue.

Sorry, but nobody's allowed to attach things to someone else's property without their permission. What you should have done is to put up your own fence posts on your own land & put your screening on those. Why didn't you do that?
ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/02/2022 17:33

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea

How do you know for sure it's your fence? That's not a snarky question btw, I have no idea who the fences around my garden belong to and neither do the neighbours. All deeds just show a red line around the land we each own. There is a very nice, expensive looking fence at the bottom of the garden that my neighbour said is his but we have the posts due to a previous agreement with the old owners so no definitive answers!
There's a convention of marking the deeds to indicate which property owns the fence - I forget what it is, something liike an arrowhead, I think.
Chitchattypatty · 20/02/2022 17:35

I do accept that, I suppose I can't imagine being that bothered about something like screening. If my other NDN attached screening to their side of our fence I don't think I'd be bothered about it. What about trellis? There must be hundreds of thousands of gardens up and down the country with trellis attached to fences that don't belong to them, surely?

Viviennemary · 20/02/2022 17:37

You both sound as bad as each other. Stop growing your ivy. But she shouldnt be attaching twigs to a fence.

Chitchatchatter · 20/02/2022 17:37

Just be aware that if it escalates into a neighbour dispute, you will have to declare it if you ever decide to move.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/02/2022 17:38

Probably. It's not right according to the law.

HyacynthBucket · 20/02/2022 17:39

YANBU Don't give her permission to attach anything else, ever, to your fence, and that should avoid further problems. You will need to spell it out in writing that nothing should be attached to your fence in future given the problems caused when they interfered with your fence. That should prevent further "misunderstanding" of the situation. Nothing worse than unreasonable neighbours. [Daffodil]

ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/02/2022 17:40

@Viviennemary

You both sound as bad as each other. Stop growing your ivy. But she shouldnt be attaching twigs to a fence.
OP says her DH dug up the ivy years ago. It's the NDN who's the pain.
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