To say the NHS should be privatised?

[Cheekypeach]

Preferably only partially, but still. I was talking about this with DH yesterday who is adamant it should stay as it is. I said I don’t think it can survive in its current form, and I for one would rather pay more and receive a better quality service. AIBU?

90% of that is type 2

Only because there's so many more Type 2 people.

@Susu49

So, what, the Irish system is irrelevant because it disproves your theory?

It doesn’t disprove it, it’s irrelevant - Ireland has what, 5 million inhabitants? England’s population is much closer to that of France or Germany.

Btw the American system is a good example. It doesn’t work unless you are working etc etc… so it’s hitting the poorest and the most vulnerable. I don’t want to live in a country where a diabetic child dies when they turn 18yo because they can’t afford to pay for insulin.

The NHS is already partially privatised with many areas already sold to private companies (eye surgery being a recent one but also some surgeries etc..)
It’s not because you can’t see it (because you know you still go and see your gp, go to the same hospital…) that it hasn’t happened.
What has NOT changed is how good or bad the NHS is. Well actually it has become worse. Go and figure 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ Maybe privatisation is not the answer?

(That’s wo talking about the fact I doubt the private sector would have coped as well as the NHS did during the pandemic…)

@Cheekypeach

With each of your posts it does sound as though you are speaking from a position of a certain amount of financial privilege.

I will repeat - I earn the National average and not a penny more.

Which still makes you privileged. Look up what average means.

You have to be goading now.

The NHS is in more than England

If much of the population is obese, or doesn't exercise, or drinks to excess, or smokes, or takes drugs and if there's isn't safe effective care for people leaving hospital, all the quality improvement in the world wont make much difference.

I think you are confusing public health with quality improvement.

In fact it goes beyond public health remits and into deprivation and poverty, an increase in which is due to austerity and the continuation of policies that are to the detriment of the working classes.

Properly funded public services can provide support for people wanting to lose weight, stop smoking and come off drugs. Unfortunately we don't have them anymore so those services are decimated and people can't get the help and support they need to improve their lifestyle and health.

The scary truth, however, that many people on here seem to ignore is that obese people, smokers, drinkers, hell, even drug addicts all,pay into the NHS too and so are as entitled to use the services as those among you who break bones cycling or ski ing.

Quality improvement is a process by which small changes in processes and pathways are identified and implemented by staff working in those services. In my long career in the health sector, I've found that given the time, headspace and trust, healthcare staff (clinical and non clinical) are very very good at improving their services. Fancy that.

No, it should be properly funded, staffed and managed instead.

Not just England and Wales

Keep going ….

Anyway, OP, the way you're answering questions such as "90% of that is type 2 tho" (said in the style of Therese Coffey telling Marcus Rashford " water can't be cut off tho") tells me you're just being goady

Can you fuck afford to go private. You almost had us going until you jumped the shark with a lot of your comments 🤣

I thought Scotland’s NHS was slightly seperate and controlled by the SNP?

Even if it was you’re still not correct.

@GreenLunchBox

Anyway, OP, the way you're answering questions such as "90% of that is type 2 tho" (said in the style of Therese Coffey telling Marcus Rashford " water can't be cut off tho") tells me you're just being goady

Can you fuck afford to go private. You almost had us going until you jumped the shark with a lot of your comments 🤣

Although not everyone with type 2 diabetes is overweight, obesity and an inactive lifestyle are two of the most common causes of type 2 diabetes. These things are responsible for about 90% to 95% of diabetes cases in the United States.

Goady = not liking the truth it seems.

they should charge for those who miss appointments.

Private? possibly but how will that improve it? genuinely am not sure..? can someone educate me/?

www.diabetes.org.uk/preventing-type-2-diabetes/diabetes-risk-factors

Uk link op.

You might want to read it and understand The increased risk your family members have of type 2 due to your type 1.

Not sure what that quote shows, love. I already acknowledged T2 makes up far more cases than type 1 and said it's just more common but you both cost a bomb

For a start.

Also the increased risk in BAME communities.

There’s more to the world and the nhs than England.

@Carbiesdreamhouse

A privatised system is so unfair and against the whole ethos of a national health service. My DC have both been born with allergies which they ar unlikely to grow out of. So I guess their premiums will be much higher than others.

And people saying that we could have a French system not the US one are dreaming. Just look at the current energy prices. The French are making the energy companies swallow the increase, whereas in the UK the Tories have chosen to pass that onto the consumers. I doubt they'll do anything different with a privatised healthcare system.

I don't understand what you mean in that second paragraph (not being arsey, honestly). The French system isn't a fully privatised one.

If anyone thinks that the UK is going to / able to replicate a health care service from another country like Switzerland needs to think again. For God’s sake look at what just happened with PPE contracts and inadequate health care supplies. Please do not assume that you will ever get what you see - or think that you see - elsewhere. The NHS is a fantastic service that has coped amazingly well during a tragic epidemic. Despite being underfunded for a decade. Rather than wishing in an insurance system, vote for a political party that will properly fund it.

@AchillesPoirot

Even if it was you’re still not correct.

Enlighten me Achilles

There’s a myriad of different healthcare services in between the NHS and the American model.

They aren’t the only two options.

This. Every time the NHS is mentioned people start banging on about the USA. There are many different forms of healthcare provision around the world - not just two - and surely some of them would be a better option than what you seem to have at present. (speaking as someone who doesn't live in the UK)

I don't understand what you mean in that second paragraph (not being arsey, honestly). The French system isn't a fully privatised one.

They mean there is no way that Tories will go for a French style system. They will go for the system that makes them and their cronies the most cash. Why do you think Sunak was in California the other week? Why do you think they employed an ex banker as NHS chief?

Can’t you use google?

There are already major issues with the parts of the NHS that have been privatised.

@SC215

There is nothing stopping you paying for private treatment now. Their are private practises in the UK.

Yeah, but if anything goes tits up at a private hospital, you'll be put in an NHS ambulance, sent to an NHS A&E, and if needed sent to an NHS ICU.

Fully agree with this I did an agency shift as an RN in a private hospital and a patient who was post op was obviously septic. The staff were completely not up to date with ‘think sepsis’ or the sepsis 6 bundle… it was actually very scary. Luckily he was transferred out and survived. I like to think I saved the hospital from a huge claim that day