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Virginia Guiffre and Andrew settle out of court

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Suzanne999 · 15/02/2022 16:15

From Metro
Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached a ‘settlement in principle’ in the civil sex claim filed in the US, court documents show

Does this show his guilt? Water down in some way his actions? I’m sure some will say this proves she was only in it for the money. I think she and a lot of underage girls were abused but because of the wealth involved those guilty will never face justice. Can’t understand why I feel sad about this outcome.

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Unsure33 · 15/02/2022 17:35

@TheOnlyMrsMac

It is being reported that the settlement money is going to a victims charity and not to Virginia. How can she be accused of cashing in, if so? I am sorry it has been settled because I would like to have seen him and other creeps like him pursued but it was not my decision to make.
If that’s the case I think she should have carried on with the case . You need less proof with a civil Case
saoirse31 · 15/02/2022 17:35

Sorry he won't have his day in court. Also to the poster above who says he sold two properties so it wasn't taxpayers money, do you know where or how he got those properties ? Was it as a result of income he got as a royal? Or inheritance he got as a royal?

As well as being remembered for all of this I wonder will he judged in years to come as having hastened the end of the monarchy and moving the UK to a full democracy?

HeadPain · 15/02/2022 17:36

Well this is disappointing

Runnerduck34 · 15/02/2022 17:36

@jinglinghellsbells
I'd seen it reported that the chalet was heavily mortgaged,he was in debt and he'd have almost no equity left after the sale.
It was also reported his legal costs were being met by the Queen so its more than likely she has helped with this settlement.

I do believe Virginia, I think her and many other young girls were groomed and trafficked.
17 is above legal age in UK but not in all US states.
Eitherway a priviledged Prince in his thirties having sex with a vulnerable teenager doesn't exactly put Andrew in a good light.

It doesn't sit well with me that she appears to have groomed other girls but sadly I think that is part of the vicous cycle of sexual abuse and grooming.

Theunamedcat · 15/02/2022 17:36

Sometimes you just don't have the evidence and you take what you can get sadly

tickingthebox73 · 15/02/2022 17:36

[quote Innocenta]@tickingthebox73 I don't think you'd consider it "distasteful" if it was you or your daughter who'd been trafficked. Minimising it in those terms is shameful. [/quote]
This was about money - always about money. This as a civil case which was designed to end in a settlement.

I'm not minimising anything. There never was a criminal case.

mynamesnotMa · 15/02/2022 17:36

Poor girl. I believe her.

How awful she has had to retraumatise herself daily.

His interview was a car crash.

myrtleWilson · 15/02/2022 17:37

The DAG thread I linked explains how the court statements, exhortations in the margins are part of the strategy that allows the court to set the parameters for negotiation - his view is that PA's exhortations were weaker than VG's.

maddy68 · 15/02/2022 17:37

So many contradictions in this case, the settlement has questioned my initial conclusions (maybe??)

  1. if this was In the UK or a different state she wasn't underage

2). She said she wanted justice not money (then settled)

3). Did she just go for this for the fame and potential book/film rights?

4). He was not charged with anything criminal this was a civil case

EmpressCixi · 15/02/2022 17:37

Does this show his guilt?
Doesn’t show guilt or innocence. It is more likely that it’s a he said/she said case and both have an equal chance of winning or losing if it went to trial so neither want to risk losing. She gets money a court would award her if she won, and he avoids the prison time if he’d lost...so its win-win.

Water down in some way his actions?
Can’t water down criminal actions if they happened. But it’s one thing to have done something criminal, and quite another for anyone to prove you did it or for you to prove you didn’t do it.

Not surprised. These historic cases revolve around things that happened decades ago. So the likelihood of proof that a certain event happened is slim.

girlmom21 · 15/02/2022 17:38

Presumably there wasn't enough evidence to give her a good chance of winning in court and he wants it all brushed in the carpet so he's not in court in America during the jubilee celebrations.

I very much assume he's been told to make it go away.

I'm sad she couldn't take him to court.

THisbackwithavengeance · 15/02/2022 17:38

@IWasHotInTheNineties

I just know that so many people will say that she was only ever after the cash Sad
I have to say that I think she was motivated by cash with the encouragement of greedy lawyers with their snouts in the trough.
CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 15/02/2022 17:38

@TheOnlyMrsMac

It is being reported that the settlement money is going to a victims charity and not to Virginia. How can she be accused of cashing in, if so? I am sorry it has been settled because I would like to have seen him and other creeps like him pursued but it was not my decision to make.
There are reports of two settlements, one to her, one to the charity.
GreekGod · 15/02/2022 17:38

It's such a shame this didn't get to Court. It would have been wonderful to see him in prison. Clearly, he is just an awful disgusting useless man. I am glad the money is going to a charity.

wanttomarryamillionaire · 15/02/2022 17:39

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AdamRyan · 15/02/2022 17:39

If that’s the case I think she should have carried on with the case . You need less proof with a civil Case
She was only ever going to get money, that's the point of the civil case. To me it looks like he's paid her a substantial amount and made a statement admitting she told the truth about being trafficked. I'm not sure what else she would have got in a court case? She probably didn't want it all raking over in public anyway.
Good on her and there is no doubt in my mind about him

Innocenta · 15/02/2022 17:39

@tickingthebox73 Describing trafficking and the abuse of women and girls as 'distasteful' is minimising.

Innocenta · 15/02/2022 17:40

@wanttomarryamillionaire How do you decide which victims are worthy enough to believe?

Thewindwhispers · 15/02/2022 17:40

OP I think you’re feeling sad because either:

  1. He abused/exploited her and got away with it (paying out money doesn’t mean much when you’re mega rich), or
  1. He didn’t abuse her but still ended up having to pay out a lot of money (to stop people bothering him about it).

Either way it’s sad. At least the money is going to charity I suppose.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/02/2022 17:41

For those mentioning the photo "no longer being in VG's possession", let's not forget that was also said about Andrew's proof that he was at Pizza Express, that he had no evidence about not being able to sweat and more

In other words, yet more things we'll never know

AlDanvers · 15/02/2022 17:41

@GreekGod

It's such a shame this didn't get to Court. It would have been wonderful to see him in prison. Clearly, he is just an awful disgusting useless man. I am glad the money is going to a charity.
He would not have gone to prison on the basis of this.
AdamRyan · 15/02/2022 17:41

@wanttomarryamillionaire

I don’t like Prince Andrew, I think hes an arrogant prick. However I don’t believe a word she says, she was as bad as maxwell in getting young girls for Epstien to abuse but started playing the victim when she realised she was looking at a massive prison sentence if she was convicted. In my opinion maxwell took the rap for both Virginia and Epstien. She has accepted a payment because she knew she was going to get shown up for what she is and what she did if it went to trial. As for Andrew, would you seriously face the American justice system if you could pay to have it all go away? I know I wouldn’t!
And this is bollocks. Why would Andrew pay a penny if he had done nothing wrong? Plenty of people believed she was a gold digger (like your comment shows) so what benefit is it to him to settle and apologise?
kmblark · 15/02/2022 17:41

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VanCleefArpels · 15/02/2022 17:41

@EmpressCixi it was a civil case so Jail and a finding of “guilt” were never on the table. PA was never charged with a crime. A settlement of a civil case is not, in law, an admission of liability.

TyrannosaurusRegina · 15/02/2022 17:42

I don't think it shows guilt or innocence. It's probably just much less hassle this way.

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