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Have the wheels come off St.jacinda of NZ

321 replies

Radyward · 14/02/2022 23:43

What!!! spraying protesters including women and childrem with water outside parliament Classing all protestors as loony anti vaxers.no sign of liftimg restrictions ' quite the opposite. Polls plummeting. She is completely nightmarish tho 53 deaths is amazing. Nz is now so woke no one with any brain or indepent thought will go there to holiday / work. She is on a power trip to end all. Poor kiwis

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DryOldCaper · 17/02/2022 01:26

Reduced cream and onion whatever dip is grim.

I don’t know anyone who makes it…

All English people eat jellied eels, don’t they…..?

Wordleone · 17/02/2022 02:45

Local shops are having a very hard time - nobody wants to come into the area if they could even drive past the blocked roads. The turnovers of the shops are significantly down and some may close. These aren't big shops either - they're just small business owners and people who work in the shops that are losing their livelihoods. One of my workmates went down to one of the shops to buy some stuff just because they felt they should do something to help. I think a few other people had the same idea. I don't know what a previous poster who said the protesters were patronising local shops meant because those shops don't have an increased turnover.

TomPinch · 17/02/2022 06:09

@SquirrelG

NZ is culturally like the UK in many, many ways

Not as many as you might think. We are actually very different.

Just as many as I might think. I've lived half my life in the UK and the other half in NZ.

But they are diverging. I can think of two ways. One, behaving yourself in public office remains strong in NZ. The other is that NZers are good at keeping the rules, in a way the the UK thinks it is but actually isn't any longer. This was very useful during lockdown.

Oh, and in NZ people don't read very much.

SquirrelG · 17/02/2022 07:52

Oh, and in NZ people don't read very much.

If you say so Hmm

Pettyargument · 17/02/2022 08:33

[quote SecondSwitchNZ]@Wordleone Our death figures are still amazingly low. We had about 53 people die and even though we have a much lower population of around 5.3 million, scaling roughly to the UK population by multiplying by 13 this would have corresponded to a UK death toll of 689. The UK death toll is around 160,000.

689....thats about the same as the nz suicide rate for last year. Jacinda has blood on her hands and needs to be held accountable.[/quote]
Sadly that is not an out of the ordinary suicide rate in NZ compared to pre-covid years so I don’t think you can lay all blame on Jacinda for that

MarshaBradyo · 17/02/2022 08:37

The other is that NZers are good at keeping the rules, in a way the the UK thinks it is but actually isn't any longer.

What are you basing this on?

We didn’t even have the rules that meant a drop in demand of over £1bn during omicron. Where are you getting the information from?

Watapalava · 17/02/2022 08:41

I think what’s obvious reading the comments from people in NZ is how heavily influenced you are - it almost sounds like brain washing

You are further jabbed than most other countries inc EU/UK which are fully open and have less restrictions than NZ and have had for a while.

The fact you defend it and can’t see it just shows the impact the narrative has had in you

There is no justification for any restrictions in nz at all

Even with 100% boostered, people will die of covid. I just don’t see NZ getting to the point if ever accepting that and as such the cab will be kicked down the road

You should be well at this point now

lonelyapple · 17/02/2022 09:07

Yup. She's terrifying.

Yeahthat · 17/02/2022 11:29

@Watapalava

I think what’s obvious reading the comments from people in NZ is how heavily influenced you are - it almost sounds like brain washing

You are further jabbed than most other countries inc EU/UK which are fully open and have less restrictions than NZ and have had for a while.

The fact you defend it and can’t see it just shows the impact the narrative has had in you

There is no justification for any restrictions in nz at all

Even with 100% boostered, people will die of covid. I just don’t see NZ getting to the point if ever accepting that and as such the cab will be kicked down the road

You should be well at this point now

They remind me of scientologists.

They appear to be deliberately trying to derail the conversation by posting random nonsense about sauces(?)

Bizarre.

Yeahthat · 17/02/2022 11:35

To be honest New Zealanders have reminded me of the Church of Scientology ever since they entered a male in the female category in the olympics and pretended that they couldn't see the problem.

Yeahthat · 17/02/2022 12:01

@MarshaBradyo

It was quite an odd thing to boast of anyway: "Jacinda's given us all gold stars and told us that if we keep behaving then we might even be allowed to go to the shops! We're such good obedient children."

mbosnz · 17/02/2022 12:14

I think that at the point that people start calling New Zealanders brainwashed, and comparing them to members of a known cult, any semblance of a good faith discussion goes out the window.

Particular when irrelevant subjects such as the inclusion of a transwoman on an Olympic team, which actually had quite a bit of discussion and dissension from New Zealanders is introduced as evidence of that.

Personally, I see very little to respect, emulate, or admire in the UK's pandemic response, other than sponsoring the successful vaccines, and ultimately upping the roll out so people could act responsibly and get vaccinated as they wished. I also see very little to respect, emulate, or admire in the UK's recent cavalier approach to the rule of law, human rights, ( you want to talk about recent approaches to demonstrators? How about talking about the policing approach to the Sarah Everard vigil), governance, or accountability and respect for the law of the politicians. I'm possibly misusing the term UK, as Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, in desperation, started making their own independent decisions, based on what they thought was in the best interests of the people they were responsible for, not having any faith left in central leadership.

If NZ is looking for superior examples, and trustworthy data on which to base their decisions, I sincerely hope they look elsewhere.

One way in which NZ differs to the UK, is how divorced their politicians, including their PM, are from the general populace. It's a lot harder for an NZ politician to hide behind a security detail, the police, and spokespeople to avoid being called out on suspect or controversial decisions. They are a lot more likely to be a product of New Zealand society in general, rather than an elite 'political class', which holds itself aloof from the mere mortals that make up the working population, e.g. in education for example. Even John Key was a product of the public schooling system, as the free education system is known as in NZ.

lonelyapple · 17/02/2022 12:18

@Yeahthat

To be honest New Zealanders have reminded me of the Church of Scientology ever since they entered a male in the female category in the olympics and pretended that they couldn't see the problem.
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Yeahthat · 17/02/2022 12:20

@mbosnz

Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, in desperation, started making their own independent decisions, based on what they thought was in the best interests of the people they were responsible for, not having any faith left in central leadership.

You do realise that they were acting under devolved powers which predated the pandemic? Also, how do you know which country of the UK anyone you're interacting with is from?

mbosnz · 17/02/2022 12:22

Just to add, the above is in no way a criticism of the general UK public.

The vast majority have done their very best to protect themselves and others, often in the face of confusing, if not downright contradictory rules and advice. While effective leadership was lacking, they've made their own decisions, and usually behaved in a far more superior fashion to those they should have been able to look to for a good example.

Workers such as teachers and doctors, have often gone above and beyond, placing themselves at risk, with inadequate resources, advice and guidelines provided by central government, giving all they have and more, to ensure those they have a responsibility to, don't suffer for Governments inadequacies anymore than they can avoid. This, despite Government seeking to muddy the waters by using the media to create suspicion, mistrust and dislike of these people, when they dared voice any kind of dissent or ask for less inadequate support and resourcing.

mbosnz · 17/02/2022 12:25

[quote Yeahthat]@mbosnz

Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, in desperation, started making their own independent decisions, based on what they thought was in the best interests of the people they were responsible for, not having any faith left in central leadership.

You do realise that they were acting under devolved powers which predated the pandemic? Also, how do you know which country of the UK anyone you're interacting with is from?[/quote]
Yes, I do, (but customarily I believe, they do tend to act in cohesion, so it's a bit of a start that they didn't, in such a serious situation, I'm prepared to be corrected on that though, I'm not from these 'ere parts, I'm a mere Kiwi), and I don't think it's relevant which part of UK someone I'm interacting with is from, upon my perceptions, though clearly someone else will be informed by where they are from as to what their perceptions are.

Yeahthat · 17/02/2022 12:26

@mbosnz

Thanks, I'll pass on your official statement to "the general UK public."

We were all waiting with bated breath.

CorneliusVetch · 17/02/2022 12:27

@Watapalava

I think what’s obvious reading the comments from people in NZ is how heavily influenced you are - it almost sounds like brain washing

You are further jabbed than most other countries inc EU/UK which are fully open and have less restrictions than NZ and have had for a while.

The fact you defend it and can’t see it just shows the impact the narrative has had in you

There is no justification for any restrictions in nz at all

Even with 100% boostered, people will die of covid. I just don’t see NZ getting to the point if ever accepting that and as such the cab will be kicked down the road

You should be well at this point now

I’m not from New Zealand but on another thread, someone who is explained how piss poor the ICU provision is in New Zealand which means that even with omicron being mild, it could health care system over the edge. I thought it was interesting as it shows that it isn’t just about NZ being unwilling to accept people might die, they are still facing potential overwhelm of their health system.
MarshaBradyo · 17/02/2022 12:28

[quote Yeahthat]@mbosnz

Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, in desperation, started making their own independent decisions, based on what they thought was in the best interests of the people they were responsible for, not having any faith left in central leadership.

You do realise that they were acting under devolved powers which predated the pandemic? Also, how do you know which country of the UK anyone you're interacting with is from?[/quote]
Some odd views re U.K. from o/s

mbosnz · 17/02/2022 12:32

[quote Yeahthat]@mbosnz

Thanks, I'll pass on your official statement to "the general UK public."

We were all waiting with bated breath.[/quote]
If you wish. I would however correct you, it's not my general statement, it's my personal opinion. So I doubt very much anyone would (or should) be interested! No more, nor less than they should be interested in anybody else's personal opinion expressed on this thread.

What I have really tried to do though, is not insult general members of 'the general UK public', either their intelligence or their exercise of their individual decision making power or person autonomy.

Radyward · 17/02/2022 13:22

I was reading through social media comments regarding the wellington protest. One person said her 12 yr old in school got v upset that when a teacher was asking the class regarding current or new tragedies another child said the unvaxxed are tragedies and the teacher said good answer and wrote it in the board. Ok this maybe made up on soc..media / maybe not but that chilled me. Like What !! Talk about brain washing as mentioned up thread. Only 1 narrative allowed in NZ. As for me looking at s media comments i have read the pro and anti protest ones so have checked both sides

Sadly that protest will not do anything at all as the media are sooo onesided and she is in control!!!

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Radyward · 17/02/2022 13:25

My 9 yr old is not vaccinated as he doesnt need it. He isint excluded from swimming or sports
My right to choose as his parent was respected . We are triple jabbed paremts . My god coercion in the guise of caring and kindness.

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MarchCrocus · 17/02/2022 13:39

Personally, I see very little to respect, emulate, or admire in the UK's pandemic response, other than sponsoring the successful vaccines, and ultimately upping the roll out so people could act responsibly and get vaccinated as they wished.

Perhaps you might also add to this the UK allowing a number of New Zealand citizens who'd been abandoned by their own government to continue to reside here, and making some provision for them even where their own visas had run out.

It's not often I praise the Home Office in my professional capacity, and certainly they could've done a better job than they have. But them stepping in where the New Zealand government had offloaded their responsibility towards a portion of their own citizens is an inherently positive thing.

mbosnz · 17/02/2022 15:32

@MarchCrocus

Personally, I see very little to respect, emulate, or admire in the UK's pandemic response, other than sponsoring the successful vaccines, and ultimately upping the roll out so people could act responsibly and get vaccinated as they wished.

Perhaps you might also add to this the UK allowing a number of New Zealand citizens who'd been abandoned by their own government to continue to reside here, and making some provision for them even where their own visas had run out.

It's not often I praise the Home Office in my professional capacity, and certainly they could've done a better job than they have. But them stepping in where the New Zealand government had offloaded their responsibility towards a portion of their own citizens is an inherently positive thing.

Absolutely!
SquirrelG · 17/02/2022 19:19

@mbosnz - loving your measured, thoughtful posts. Good to see some common sense amongst the ranting on this thread. I can't quite grasp why people on the other side of the world feel the need to get so worked about other countries (not just NZ) on numerous threads when they are not actually affected. Could it be a touch of envy?

I have my views on the way many things are done in the UK, but as I don't live there, and it doesn't affect me, I don't feel the need to comment.