Have the wheels come off St.jacinda of NZ

[Radyward]

What!!! spraying protesters including women and childrem with water outside parliament Classing all protestors as loony anti vaxers.no sign of liftimg restrictions ' quite the opposite. Polls plummeting. She is completely nightmarish tho 53 deaths is amazing. Nz is now so woke no one with any brain or indepent thought will go there to holiday / work. She is on a power trip to end all. Poor kiwis

@LakieLady - The rights you mention though are about banning people from doing something (i.e. driving while drunk). Coercing/forcing somebody to have a substance injected into their body is not comparable in my opinion and really crosses a line.

@CheekyHobson great. You allow in famous wealthy people to make movies. Hooray. My husband can’t get over there to see his dying elderly mother, but who cares as long as movies get made eh? Not you clearly.

I'm very sorry to hear your husband can't get back although obviously have no familiarity with the particulars of your case. But it's a false emotive appeal to suggest that Hollywood stars are 'stopping' your husband from being able to enter at short notice.

I know dozens of New Zealanders who have come back for one or more holiday visits during this pandemic and then returned to the countries where they live after a few weeks. They are just as 'guilty' of taking up a spot in MIQ that means your husband is struggling to come here now. I don't understand why those visits are seen as a worthy and acceptable use of MIQ but an economic waiver that will result in financial relief for hundreds of workers (many of whom will have families) in a severely impacted industry is deemed unworthy. The 'wealthy famous person' didn't come here for a holiday, they came to work alongside hundreds of New Zealanders who may well otherwise be struggling.

Pandemics have wide-ranging effects. Without MIQ keeping Covid out during the worst phases of the pandemic, many people whose parents are alive here today would be mourning them. There is no perfect solution. It is all a huge act of trying to balance various and often competing interests.

This thread is incredible.

All the horror of Brexit, covid pandemic, gender ideology capture & bullying, media gone rogue, liberal govts turned authoritarian & loved by the people, The blaming of "white women" for every perceived ill, the splintering of society over the last few years, all glorified in one single magnificent thread.

Bookmark it for posterity everyone who contributed.

Are you coming back to the thread you started, @Radyward?

Very amused by how many people don't know the origins of the word woke and which movement caused its resurgence. 😂😂😂

I do find overseas perceptions of our Prime Minister amusing.

Either she is St Jacinda who can Do No Wrong or she is a massive fraud.

In reality she leads a slightly bumbling government whose reaction to anything a bit tricky is to make Chris Hipkins minister of it.

But they got the covid response right because they made rules for the good of everyone, and because the population were particularly assiduous about keeping them. It's hard to explain to people from the UK just how single minded Kiwis can be.

We beat the early variants, we starved out Delta, and we'll beat Omicron too, all while enjoying far greater freedoms than just about anyone on the planet.

A few wannabe Americans in Parliament's front lawn won't change this.

I don't live in NZ.
Most MNers dont' live in NZ.
Won't even ever visit there.
Few people come from or ever live in NZ.
Why are ppl so interested in NZ.
I do think playing Manilow & vaccine adverts was mildly inspired, tbf.
Still, Weird obsession with NZ.

Because NZ is culturally like the UK in many, many ways but it succeded where the UK bolluxed up.

I think you’re a paid troll.

The protests in NZ and Canada are really odd. Two very stable liberal democracies and suddenly there a bunch of anarchists and neo Nazis making chaos and creating global news headlines. It’s almost like someone is trying to distract from his attempt to start a war.

Is woke the new buzzword to replace "lefties/loony left/loony liberals"? Or do those still get thrown around too?
I'd say she has at least handled it better than our car crash of a government in the UK, with our current lack of any sort of control measures while Omicron is still rife.

@CheekyHobson well if you genuinely have “dozens” of friends who’ve negotiated the arbitrary and Dickensian immigration bureaucracy to pop over for a quick holiday they’re stronger people than we are. We have lost over a thousand dollars and countless hours of our time, not to mention weeks of precious annual leave (impossible to reschedule at short notice for an ICU specialist in the middle of a pandemic) to the sudden cancelling of the “travel bubble”, and attempting to navigate the system. With the response on multiple occasions being “computer says no”.

But it’s not about our family’s heartache. It is, as you say, about balance - but there’s no easy answer as to where the correct balance lies. It seems NZ-ers are happier than I would be with a curtailment of broader rights and freedoms in exchange for the ability to live ostensibly freely in their small bubble. But there must be a cost to that - economic, emotional, whatever. And at some point the borders will surely have to open and COVID will come, and then what was the point of it all?

Except the kind of people the PP is describing were proud of the term and uses it entirely unironically - until it was called out and ridiculed.

Not entirely accurate. Like all sorts of words groups have used to describe themselves, over time other people take them and use them as insults. Usually those people are threatened that the group has a voice and looks like they might actually gain some equal rights, so they mock and deride them just to make sure that doesn’t happen. It’s happened with racial and abelism for a long time, it’s nothing new.

@GreenLunchBox

Look up the dictionary definition. It means 'alert to social injustice, usually racism'. Yes it's been co-opted by the GB news brigade to silence people trying to get equality. Also adopted by 'feminists' on Mumsnet trying to ingratiate themselves with the right wing crowd in their single-minded crusade against trans people, happy to throw black women under the bus

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Thank you! I am SICK of seeing the word 'woke', created by black people for black people, being thrown around here and used as an insult.

The word hasn't 'lost it's meaning', they've just adopted it to shut dow discussion that they don't like.

But run crying and shaking to report posts calling them a Karen

@MissTrip82

Woke’s a really useful term.

I’ve never heard it used non-ironically by anyone who wasn’t a total arsehole. Exactly the types who were previously screeching about ‘political correctness gone mad’. Usually racist.

A handy red flag.

This

@Polyanthus2

Woke means letting former men compete in (and almost always win) women's races. Hence woke is not good.

Saying that's what you think it means does not make it a fact.

Are you one of the protestors?

But there must be a cost to that - economic, emotional, whatever. And at some point the borders will surely have to open and COVID will come, and then what was the point of it all?

The point of it all was to keep deaths and illness low whilst still protecting the economy. And it worked. When you compare both these things to the U.K., deaths are vanishingly low and the impact on the economy has been minimal compared to countries who didn’t close borders.

Of course it has been tough for situations like yours, but equally, those who have lost loved ones needlessly here have also faced a huge emotional cost. If I were to choose whether to be in your situation or that of someone who lost family, friends from covid, I know where I’d rather be.

The borders will open but people are vaccinated and more protected. New Zealand has handled it well compared to most other nations.

@BoredZelda

But there must be a cost to that - economic, emotional, whatever. And at some point the borders will surely have to open and COVID will come, and then what was the point of it all?

The point of it all was to keep deaths and illness low whilst still protecting the economy. And it worked. When you compare both these things to the U.K., deaths are vanishingly low and the impact on the economy has been minimal compared to countries who didn’t close borders.

Of course it has been tough for situations like yours, but equally, those who have lost loved ones needlessly here have also faced a huge emotional cost. If I were to choose whether to be in your situation or that of someone who lost family, friends from covid, I know where I’d rather be.

The borders will open but people are vaccinated and more protected. New Zealand has handled it well compared to most other nations.

New Zealand has offloaded responsibility for a chunk of it citizens to other nations. Supporters of the policy don't tend to engage with this point, but being able to live in your country is one of the most basic rights of citizenship yet NZ just decided the rest of the world was going to have to cover some of that for them. It's quite an extraordinary thing to do (I practice immigration and nationality law so have a professional interest here).

Nz is now so woke no one with any brain or indepent thought will go there to holiday / work.
I must have no brain or "indepent" thought as I can't wait to return there on holiday/to see relatives.

@CheekyHobson
I know dozens of New Zealanders who have come back for one or more holiday visits during this pandemic and then returned to the countries where they live after a few weeks.

I live in NZ and have been trying to get a slot in MIQ since it started and do not know anyone who has been able to get a slot to come on holiday here.

I have been trying to get back to visit my Mum in UK who is almost 92, and have failed on every single MIQ lottery - the people you know who are to get slots so easily are obviously much luckier than I am.

"Woke" describes one particular approach to dealing with certain social issues. It's the difference between the Robin DiAngelo approach to solving racism and the MLK one. Or the difference between being pro same sex marriage and being pro advocating for born males in female sports, when it comes to LGBT issues.
Reasonable people can differ on the right way to achieve good results, it doesn't make them white supremacist or -phobic if they don't agree with a newly popular method.

It is incorrect to

@BoredZelda I would say though that using number of deaths as the end point is an extremely blunt instrument when it comes to assessing benefit to a society. But it is easy and tangible. We could debate this until the cows come home (and utilitarian philosophers do!) and there really isn’t a right answer. I considered Australia’s border closure harsh and punitive even though it kept cases low, particularly in my part of Aus. And although we have many more cases now, and there have been deaths sadly, I personally feel more comfortable with where we (Aus) are now as a society than when we were completely closed off. But every country has to decide its own priorities and people in NZ seem broadly happy with their government’s response so I guess it’s been right for them. People like my husband notwithstanding.

@DickMabutt73962

"This word was created by black people for use by black people"

lol

Woke’s a really useful term

I’ve never heard it used non-ironically by anyone who wasn’t a total arsehole. Exactly the types who were previously screeching about ‘political correctness gone mad’. Usually racist.

A handy red flag

I often wonder what people who hold this view think when they are forced to put their pronouns on their emails, called transphobic for misgendering someone or called a white supremicist for existing

What do you call this sort of behaviour that we now all have to agree with?

And when I head Jacinta Arden say that the unvaccinated should be considered a different class with a smile on her face, there were a few alarm bells going off